Toronto Maple Leafs Farm Transactions

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

Toronto returns Sam Reinhart to the Marlies, recalls Bo Horvat

Releases:

Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Brandon Pirri
Nathan Beaulieu
Calvin de Haan

[Derrick - Senators]

Mar 5, 2017 21:50:38 GMT -5 Scott - Maple Leafs said:

Toronto returns Sam Reinhart to the Marlies, recalls Bo Horvat

Releases:

Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Brandon Pirri
Nathan Beaulieu
Calvin de Haan

Bo Horvat is on Suspended Waivers due to a roster violation and may not be recalled.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

Toronto returns Sam Reinhart to the Marlies, release Mark Borowiecki. Sign Michael Neuvrith and resign Jonathon Bernier

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

Can someone explain to me why the above transaction involving Sam Reinhart was disregarded and he is now signed and on main roster of San Jose?

[Derrick - Senators]

Mar 12, 2017 14:14:22 GMT -5 Scott - Maple Leafs said:

Can someone explain to me why the above transaction involving Sam Reinhart was disregarded and he is now signed and on main roster of San Jose?

A NAFHL prospect is defined as an NHL skater with 150 or less NHL games played. At the time of the transaction, Reinhart had played more than 150 NHL games making him a NAFHL minor leaguer and thus subject to waivers.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

This league is such bs can't ever get ahead. No wonder there's so much turnover.

[Nos - Sharks]

Mar 12, 2017 20:21:49 GMT -5 Scott - Maple Leafs said:

This league is such bs can't ever get ahead. No wonder there's so much turnover.

Remarks like this should get this fool booted from the league, the rules are clear for all to go over and comprehend, this is your fault. Your fault, not mine, not Derrick's, not the league's.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

Stay off my forum, nothing was directed at you.

[Nos - Sharks]

When you disparage our hard working Commish and great league I take offense and will say something every single time. Especially when you're the one at fault and nobody else. This is the best league in the world, that is the most impressive and clear fantasy rulebook of all time. Take responsibility for your actions, for real. The reason there's turnover is because of bad hires, bad attitudes and bad hockey minds. That can be fixed. Thanks for the free elite talent pup.

Apologize for those out of line remarks, take responsibility, and save face before it's too late for you to come back from.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

It was an unknowing move on my part as team owner. I was looking out for the 200 gp mark rather than the 150 gp mark which is subject to a waiver. Knowing anyone in this league, and especially Nos, could claim Reinhart I would not have made the move.

[Nos - Sharks]

You act like the information was hidden from you, it's one of the first things any GM learns and I don't buy you not knowing what you were doing. If true that's even more embarrassing. Was your fault. Learn, don't bitch and pass blame, at least act like a man.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

I'm not passing blame. And I didnt include you in any of this. I will discuss with Derrick, our league commish, from here on out on all matters, please keep to yourself with regard to my team and transactions. Thx.

Also, the above statement prior to your comment is in reference to:

11) The "minor leagues"
E) Any "minor leaguer" transaction may be nullified and subsequently reversed prior to and after an opposing manager has made a waiver claim if the original owner of the minor leaguer (prior to the waiver claim) unknowingly or accidentally sends the minor leaguer in question to the farm. Each "minor leaguer" will be returned to its owner's main roster and not to its respective farm team.

[Nos - Sharks]

So you somehow know this foolish minor leaguer fail safe rule that was implemented under shady terms and never approved league wide but not the #1 rule in the book, NAFHL 101? You're a cheat. You knew what you were doing and you knew you were safe to try and get him back on your farm after you fucked up. When will I have the opportunity to use this advantage? Never, nobody would buy me being ignorant to this rule and nobody should buy your bullshit story either. Date Registered: May 17, 2011 at 9:45am, that's the date you came into the league and you don't know that cardinal rule by now? Fuck you. Why should the ignorant, the stupid, the lazy, the careless, the thieves, the undignified cheats of the league get an advantage? You think you've earned that advantage with all of those attributes? Do people learn from harsh lessons and loss or from coddling? So in the end my flow is unjustly interrupted and a fool is saved, what have we learned from this? You will never be as impressive as I am.

You will be referred to as Cuckquean Scott - Maple Leafs from now on, it's a title you've earned.

[Derrick - Senators]

Mar 14, 2017 18:22:04 GMT -5 Nos - Sharks said:

So you somehow know this foolish minor leaguer fail safe rule that was implemented under shady terms and never approved league wide but not the #1 rule in the book, NAFHL 101?

For those of you not around at the time and for those needing a refresher, the history of the rule in question can be found below.

nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/524/steve-mason
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/525/steve-mason

The sad thing is that the rule WAS approved league wide (yourself included). The final poll didn't reflect Calgary's vote (or mine) or Krzysztof's (due to mobile site restrictions at the time). Additionally, this was at a time when the league was down a GM or two so the 'majority' was reduced from the normal 8/12. Trust me, if there were ANY question about league wide acceptance I would have raised it given I was ultimately the losing party in the dispute. I'll say it now as it said it then and will always say. This is the WORST rule in the history of NAFHL and is extremely damaging to the league in my opinion. It has been 7 years since the original discussion and I think it's time the exclusion of the rule in future rule books needs to be discussed again.

EDIT - The rule book has since been amended to address the issue of an inactive manager in the event a league-wide poll is issued during such a time. However, at the time such a rule was not in place and this decision was governed under the old rules of "majority of the members in the league."

[Nos - Sharks]

Like I said back then, I didn't approve of this rule change, how could I? It was never voted on. That Steve Mason issue was a one off, one time vote and it was due to confusion over goalie games played and games started. Something that was clarified and implemented in the rulebook later because it wasn't there to begin with. I believed Robyn, still do, I never believed Cuckqueane Scott nor should I. This is a rule you know on Day 1. You implemented the rule solo after this one time issue was settled causing all sorts of extra problems that lie squarely on your shoulders. It was a poor decision made by you and you alone. It's a rule that doesn't put everybody on equal footing. This is a rule that destroys a fundamental rule, a rule that should take precedent. There are two rules in question, correct? Which one is more important? Scott can quote the rulebook and so can I. Why is his quoted rule somehow more important than that fundamental rule? There is right and wrong, and people who refuse to do right when wrong is being done because it's hard, or doesn't immediately look favorably on your character. This is wrong nonetheless, any way you slice it. Gonna throw up a poll, it's my hope that the general managers have integrity and will do right by the league.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

Just to clarify my justification in regards to the above quoted rule please consider it based on my team perspective in the moment. I attempted to send him to my farm on March 5th as well as March 9th, at his 152 gp mark and 154gp mark. Could you reasonably say that I should've known this rule, sure, but could you not also reasonably say that an owner would not have done this twice if known? (especially if Nos is waiting in the weeds to snap up every prospect available... waiver or non waiver)

Also please consider that in the midst of trying to stay competitive and make the playoffs I needed a 3rd goalie start last week with Price sick and Luongo day to day. Thus sending down Reinhart (without reviewing his gp b/c I had just previously attempted to send him down) and releasing another player, offered me the potential to meet my goalie gp requirement for 2 possible games left in the week. There's no way you can legitimately say my intentions were to risk giving up a high end prospect for two back up tenders that I needed for 1 game, playoffs or no playoffs.

I know Nos is simply looking to feed off the above and/or anything at this point given how fired up he is with the nicknames but if that is not reasonable justification I don't know what is.

[Nos - Sharks]

There is no reasonable justification for not knowing the first rule any GM learns when entering the league, especially when you've been here since 2011. Managers make mistakes and should be held accountable for them. You attempted to send him down when he was still a Minor Leaguer, reasoning doesn't change because the situation isn't different, he was a Minor Leaguer each time you tried to send him down. You were saved multiple times, you had a reasonable amount of opportunity to do your job correctly, you did not.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

You act like youre the commissioner of this league and you're not? Fuck off already with telling me what to do, it's not your call and I have every right to state my case based on this rule.

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

Send Kesler and Martinez to IR. Sign Radko Gudas and Zeno Chara. Release Sami Vantanen

[Scott - Maple Leafs]

Call up Pierre Luc Dubois to the Marlies