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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 18, 2019 16:50:16 GMT -5
Transaction in question with subsequent commentary can be found HERE. The first poll and additional commentary can be found HERERule in question: Please redirect any conversation from the Anaheim Ducks Farm Transaction Thread or Who owns Timo Meier? (and any new conversation) here. Meier has temporarily been awarded to the Vancouver Canucks based on the results of the last poll. This poll is to eliminate any bias from the last poll and to determine once and for all who the rightful owner of Timo Meier is. All results are final. New poll has been designed to not show the votes until an individual has placed his own vote. |
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Feb 18, 2019 16:54:52 GMT -5
After this season we need to look at eliminating this clause. The I forgot rule needs to go. We should all be seasoned fantasy hockey GM’s pay attention or pay the consequences.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 18, 2019 21:09:25 GMT -5
Vancouver Canucks owns Meier. Oops, is me voicing my opinion and vote going to influence someone else's vote now?!?  Where's the spoiler tag?!? Paaaathetic humans. When it comes to the babysitting clause nothing needs to even be voted on, just take out that bullshit clause that was illegally implemented and be done with it once and for all. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 18, 2019 22:49:01 GMT -5
Vancouver Canucks owns Meier. Oops, is me voicing my opinion and vote going to influence someone else's vote now?!? Where's the spoiler tag?!? Paaaathetic humans. When it comes to the babysitting clause nothing needs to even be voted on, just take out that bullshit clause that was illegally implemented and be done with it once and for all. Daniel - Canucks will only have you to blame should your sarcastic and smug attitude cause people to vote to return Meier to the Ducks just to spite you. ...or for the third poll that I am going to be forced to have to put up now. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 18, 2019 23:03:38 GMT -5
How stupid are you? Everybody already knows how I feel. Are you saying you're prepared to punish another team for something I've done? What sense does that make? Are you saying, from now on, that all opinions and discussions as it pertains to polls are going to be completely silenced?
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 18, 2019 23:59:06 GMT -5
How stupid are you? Everybody already knows how I feel. Are you saying you're prepared to punish another team for something I've done? What sense does that make? Are you saying, from now on, that all opinions and discussions as it pertains to polls are going to be completely silenced? joke /jōk/ noun 1. a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline: "she was in a mood to tell jokes" synonyms: funny story, jest, witticism, quip, pleasantry, ... more verb 1. make jokes; talk humorously or flippantly: "she could laugh and joke with her colleagues" synonyms: tell jokes, crack jokes, jest, banter, quip, ... more |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 19, 2019 0:18:35 GMT -5
Where's the punchline? Indicators? Emoticons? Excessive punctuation? Is the joke the fact that you've put up a second poll for the same issue? That is a joke...but not in a 'ha ha' way. Influence exists, discussions exist, minds are shaped, opinions are formed.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 19, 2019 1:17:28 GMT -5
Where's the punchline? Indicators? Emoticons? Excessive punctuation? Is the joke the fact that you've put up a second poll for the same issue? That is a joke...but not in a 'ha ha' way. Influence exists, discussions exist, minds are shaped, opinions are formed. The 'ellipses' was the indicator AND the excessive punctuation that capped off the "punchline." |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 19, 2019 1:20:34 GMT -5
Where's the punchline? Indicators? Emoticons? Excessive punctuation? Is the joke the fact that you've put up a second poll for the same issue? That is a joke...but not in a 'ha ha' way. Influence exists, discussions exist, minds are shaped, opinions are formed. The 'ellipses' was the indicator AND the excessive punctuation that capped off the "punchline."  |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 19, 2019 1:39:23 GMT -5
You still haven't answered why a 7-5 majority win wouldn't cut it for this type of poll? How do you determine which side of the poll needs the 2/3 majority in this type of poll if that's the case? Can we please just settle this finally and move on. Meier on Vancouver Dell on Detroit let’s move forward. This doesn’t have to be so difficult. I agree, oh and you forgot Justin Williams on Anaheim. I will drop Williams and keep Meier on my roster |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 19, 2019 17:17:59 GMT -5
You still haven't answered why a 7-5 majority win wouldn't cut it for this type of poll? How do you determine which side of the poll needs the 2/3 majority in this type of poll if that's the case? Can we please just settle this finally and move on. Meier on Vancouver Dell on Detroit let’s move forward. This doesn’t have to be so difficult. I agree, oh and you forgot Justin Williams on Anaheim. I will drop Williams and keep Meier on my roster If you want a straight-forward answer, there isn't one. The rule book does not explicitly detail the guidelines for a poll of this nature so it was defaulted to the guidelines that we do have for similar instances which is 8/12. Determining who needs the vote is a fairly easy thing to ascertain. More often than not it will be the person who didn't make the initial mistake, however unfair that might seem. And since this second poll is just a recount, you would still need 8/12 in order to retain Meier, but have been awarded the player in the interim since so much time has already passed and the initial league vote appeared to rule in your favor. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 19, 2019 22:43:42 GMT -5
You still haven't answered why a 7-5 majority win wouldn't cut it for this type of poll? How do you determine which side of the poll needs the 2/3 majority in this type of poll if that's the case? I agree, oh and you forgot Justin Williams on Anaheim. If you want a straight-forward answer, there isn't one. The rule book does not explicitly detail the guidelines for a poll of this nature so it was defaulted to the guidelines that we do have for similar instances which is 8/12. Determining who needs the vote is a fairly easy thing to ascertain. More often than not it will be the person who didn't make the initial mistake, however unfair that might seem. And since this second poll is just a recount, you would still need 8/12 in order to retain Meier, but have been awarded the player in the interim since so much time has already passed and the initial league vote appeared to rule in your favor. I guess another thing to address this offseason eh? Also, nice Justin Williams 10 shots, what a beast. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 21, 2019 1:14:32 GMT -5
This vote ending 7-5 is both hilarious and frustrating.
Should I wait until after 3:00 AM EST tonight to award Timo Meier back to Anaheim so Vancouver gets an extra Meier game against me? Wait until after Sunday to complete the week with Meier? I don't want anybody accusing me of collusion or cheating or whatever other nonsensical propaganda you guys come up with.
Also, I never want to hear the name Timo Meier again after this.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 21, 2019 2:01:28 GMT -5
This vote ending 7-5 is both hilarious and frustrating. Should I wait until after 3:00 AM EST tonight to award Timo Meier back to Anaheim so Vancouver gets an extra Meier game against me? Wait until after Sunday to complete the week with Meier? I don't want anybody accusing me of collusion or cheating or whatever other nonsensical propaganda you guys come up with. Also, I never want to hear the name Timo Meier again after this. What is your reason for even making a second poll in the first place other than to cheat? The fact that you already awarded me Meier based on the votes of the last poll should automatically mean that Mitch should need the 2/3 majority to win back the poll if that's the route you're taking. Such contradictory decision making by you. It's a joke and so are you if you take Meier away from my team with a 7-5 majority win. Yes you do like to cheat, as evidenced by you still starting Justin Williams despite dropping him in the morning knowing damn well he shouldn't be on your team. To whoever switched their vote (and I'm pretty certain I know who it was), you're a spineless gutless excuse of a man for switching your vote. Only a coward who can't stand by his own opinion would do what you have done. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 21, 2019 2:27:00 GMT -5
This vote ending 7-5 is both hilarious and frustrating. Should I wait until after 3:00 AM EST tonight to award Timo Meier back to Anaheim so Vancouver gets an extra Meier game against me? Wait until after Sunday to complete the week with Meier? I don't want anybody accusing me of collusion or cheating or whatever other nonsensical propaganda you guys come up with. Also, I never want to hear the name Timo Meier again after this. What is your reason for even making a second poll in the first place other than to cheat? The fact that you already awarded me Meier based on the votes of the last poll should automatically mean that Mitch should need the 2/3 majority to win back the poll if that's the route you're taking. Such contradictory decision making by you. It's a joke and so are you if you take Meier away from my team with a 7-5 majority win. Yes you do like to cheat, as evidenced by you still starting Justin Williams despite dropping him in the morning knowing damn well he shouldn't be on your team. To whoever switched their vote (and I'm pretty certain I know who it was), you're a spineless gutless excuse of a man for switching your vote. Only a coward who can't stand by his own opinion would do what you have done. I have stated several times the purpose of this second poll. Whether or not you agree with that reason does not make me a cheater. If anything, this poll result lends credibility to my initial concerns. Mitch does not need an 8-4 majority win because this is not a poll trying to remove Meier from your team and award him to Anaheim, but rather a RECOUNT of the first poll where we were voting to remove Meier from Anaheim's team and award him to you. Furthermore, starting Justin Williams is irrelevant and just another straw you are grasping at, in addition to making things up and calling people names. Williams was dropped by Anaheim and was a free agent for 15 days before I picked him up, at which point he happened to already be on my team after the Meier transaction was processed and after the league updated for the night. Why should I be punished and have to bench a player (that could have been replaced by someone else before the league updated) because of timing and how Yahoo works? It is no different than Detroit starting Dell tomorrow or you starting Meier tomorrow. The result is in and Meier should be off of your team right now before the league updates making him unavailable for you tomorrow. Given the fact that I am trying to be as fair as possible/compensate for the Williams incident, I have offered to purposely wait until after 3:00 AM EST to process the transactions so Meier is available to you tomorrow even though it is potentially a detriment to me. If that makes me a cheater, I am not sure I follow your logic. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 21, 2019 2:28:56 GMT -5
Also, there is no need to be angry with anybody else in the league or call them names. I said it a couple days ago and I will say it again now. You have Nos - Sharks and Nos - Sharks only to thank for this.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 21, 2019 5:08:03 GMT -5
Derrick, you have cheater blood in your heart and veins and it's devastating to witness. As far as I'm concerned the Ottawa Senators have been eliminated from true legitimate competition regardless of where they place in the standings due to cheating, conspiracy, collusion, manipulation, etc. You think you're going to feel good about winning now even if you do? I know I won't recognize you as anything but a cheater.
We go from having a rule put into the rulebook illegally in the first place without any 8-4 vote thread to speak of, to a GM attempting a Minor Leaguer send down of Timo Meier having been warned mere hours after the transaction that he would be subject to Waivers and he should reconsider it, to him saying and doing absolutely nothing until right after the claim was successful, to a legitimate and successful claim of said player, to a poll to determine whether the legitimate and successful claim should stand, to the poll being won 8-4 majority, to the Commissioner arbitrarily deciding the poll needed to be retaken for whatever imaginary reason he made up in his mind because it didn't go the way he wanted it to, to Daniel - Canucks winning the poll again 7-5, to Daniel - Canucks losing the player. Fuck off. Guy wins both polls and loses. The wrongdoer escapes. This was allowed to happen.
Derrick shit all over Daniel - Canucks through this entire ordeal, the guy actually doing the right things, giving good info, being generally a strong and competent manager. Derrick saved an inactive manager, a guy unsure of the rules, a guy who threatened the league, a loser. You should be more thoughtful with which managers you disrespect. More than anything I'm disappointed in the league as a collective, this should have been an easy and decisive 11-1 poll and Mitch - Ducks should have been told to go fuck himself after being inactive, not knowing the rules and threatening to leave if he didn't get his way. We should have culled this trash from the herd of elites. You guys should have been men.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Feb 21, 2019 14:01:31 GMT -5
I can’t believe this is being overturned after Vancouver wins both polls. This has been entirely mishandled. I’m not accusing anyone of anything. Berating people never works. The fact is Vancouver won the first poll in the alotted timeline and the second poll in which one person sneakily changed their vote to cause even more headaches. This is completely blown out of proportion and as a league we need to rectify this swiftly.
I’m sorry Mitch but this mistake is your own doing the fact you didn’t know games played went up based on your players playing actual games is bush league.
Vancouver followed all the waiver rules won the claim and then won BOTH polls to award him the player he acquired LEGALLY in the first place.
This has taken up way to much time and effort to fix a problem that is so clear. No more polls no more bs posts. Just put the players in question where they belong.
Meier- Vancouver and any other subsequent transaction that resulted from this debacle can be reposted from this point.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 21, 2019 14:12:54 GMT -5
Derrick, you have cheater blood in your heart and veins and it's devastating to witness. As far as I'm concerned the Ottawa Senators have been eliminated from true legitimate competition regardless of where they place in the standings due to cheating, conspiracy, collusion, manipulation, etc. You think you're going to feel good about winning now even if you do? I know I won't recognize you as anything but a cheater. This is the biggest stretch and worst overreaction in the history of fantasy sports. I couldn't care less what team Meier is on, unless it is my own. Otherwise, his status has no bearing on me or how my team performs in any capacity whatsoever. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 21, 2019 14:25:19 GMT -5
I can’t believe this is being overturned after Vancouver wins both polls. Vancouver followed all the waiver rules won the claim and then won BOTH polls to award him the player he acquired LEGALLY in the first place. Vancouver didn't win both polls. It is debatable whether Vancouver won EITHER poll. No vote in the 13 year history of this league has ever been majority wins. It has always been 2/3 majority vote wins, or 8/12 votes. The first poll needed a recount because of the assumption by some managers that Detroit had already switched its vote, when in fact that was not the case. Without singling any person or persons out, I will say that there was enough concern to justify the recount (with complete information) that is now validated by the current poll result. |
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Where's the spoiler tag?!? 
So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.