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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 23, 2021 11:00:41 GMT -5
Hmmm, this should really read 'You're not gonna get a Merzlikins & Vehvilainen for a Makar...anymore'.  Merzlikins was ranked the 4th best goaltender last year in his rookie season, 43rd best player overall. Makar was ranked the 12th best defenseman last year in his rookie season, 108th best player overall. Even if you didn't like the trade that was offered it was nevertheless a worthy offer and a sight better than Brogan Rafferty for Tristan Jarry. You just dropped Brogan Rafferty practically a day after offering him to me. I traded Mathew Barzal & Cayden Primeau for Tristan Jarry, to give you an understanding of how I value him. Sooo, yeah!  Merzlikins is a back up currently. He has played 2 games and sporting a classy 4 GAA. 1 rookie season at 25/26 y.o. coming in because of injury and playing well doesnt make his value any higher than what he is, a back up. By your standards, someone should've got the moon in a trade with Andrew Hamburglar Hammond after his crazy run on the sens. But no one in their right mind knew that was sustainable lol. I offered you Rafferty or Fabbro tongue and cheek after you blew me away with a back up goalie and not even the best goalie prospect on Columbus (it's Tarasov not Vehvilainen) for possibly the next best offensive Dman playing with Mackinnon. And he has at least 1 more year of team control even 1 more after that if you send him down before 150 games. (not to mention I'd have to call up merzlikins and couldn't send him down or he'd be taken by waivers and he's not protection worthy at this point) You even publically said trade me Makar in the welcome to the league thread so I thought you were serious about it. And I get merzlikins and vehvilainen lol. If you don't see how that's a garbage offer (which I think you do because if players were switched no way you'd trade me Makar for those 2 players) then I can't help you It's also a pretty gutless maneuver making trade offers public as an insult to that GM saying those kind of offers get you ignored. Because I'm sure other GMs can come right back at you with bad offers you've sent! But somehow you think you've never made a bad offer?? Are you kidding me? "I never offer subpar deals or subpar players". Well you proved that to be wrong little more than a week ago lol Everyone has made an offer they thought was good but the other GM thought was bad. Or lowballed to get a bite. Thinking that you don't do the same is hilarious Also if I came back with Makar for Merz and Vehv right now... You'd take it faster than McDavid crossing the neutral zone  |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 23, 2021 11:16:11 GMT -5
You're not gonna get a Makar for a Merzlikins and Vehvilainen* *Actual trade offer made to me in the last calendar week Hmmm, this should really read 'You're not gonna get a Merzlikins & Vehvilainen for a Makar...anymore'. Merzlikins was ranked the 4th best goaltender last year in his rookie season, 43rd best player overall. Makar was ranked the 12th best defenseman last year in his rookie season, 108th best player overall. Even if you didn't like the trade that was offered it was nevertheless a worthy offer and a sight better than Brogan Rafferty for Tristan Jarry. You just dropped Brogan Rafferty practically a day after offering him to me. I traded Mathew Barzal & Cayden Primeau for Tristan Jarry, to give you an understanding of how I value him. Sooo, yeah! This post is gold. Comical. Meme-worthy even. If this is what you ACTUALLY believe I have a few trade proposals for you. Based on last year's Yahoo rankings of course. Ryan Getzlaf (138) for Sidney Crosby (189) AND Adam Fox (96) for Mikko Rantanen (181) Hell, if I knew about this sooner I would have loved, and I mean LOVED, to have acquired Alexander Barkov (79) for my Jean-Gabriel Pageau (26). You know...before I dropped/didn't keep him... Let me know when you are ready to post the trades and I will go accept. |
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Post by Robyn - Flames on Jan 23, 2021 11:45:56 GMT -5
New guy shitting on Nos AND a blockbuster trade?!? What a great day for hockey.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 23, 2021 21:34:50 GMT -5
 Using the Yahoo Season Scoring was merely one quick and simple way to observe and compare each of their rookie seasons with no major outlying contributing factors to inflate or deflate their totals. Everybody is quick to point to Makar's rookie season as being elite, he won the Calder Trophy after all, but Merzlikins had an elite season as well, in fact, he was more than twice as good as Makar based on our scoring system, your team would have been better off with Merzlikins than with Makar last season. In my opinion, Korpisalo is a glorified backup. Merzlikins just beat the Stanley Cup winning team today sporting a .938 and was awarded the 1st Star of the game. To date, Merzlikins has had 3 starts and Korpisalo has had 3 starts this season, so no, Merzlikins is far from the backup. They've started the season 1A/1B and with more time ticking away the coaching staff will understand that Merzlikins is a truly legit and elite goaltender that they can't afford to not play. Furthermore, if you were to track a player's development through the other various Junior, International and Professional leagues they've played in you'd have a greater understanding of a player's ability and why your comparison of Merzlikins to Hammond does more to illustrate your lack of knowledge in this area than it does to diminish Merzlikins' value. In my opinion, Makar will never be more valuable than he is right now. As soon as he loses eligibility some of the shine comes off. With Bowen Byram hitting the scene the offensive opportunities will be split between them, not ideal for either of them moving forward from a fantasy perspective. Defensemen are also the least valuable position. I don't really see the big deal with talking trades publicly, I don't have a problem with it, multiple managers have expressed an interest in more information being made available on the trade front so the most value can be had and/or everybody has a fair shake at certain players. Anyway, I don't need Makar, he's a fine player but I don't need him and I'm certainly not going to bend over backwards to acquire him. My team is a well oiled machine and I'm confident in my scouting and drafting abilities to supply me with anything I may need in the future. I'm always willing to talk trades though...but only if you're willing to offer me something better than Brogan Rafferty.
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Jan 23, 2021 22:54:44 GMT -5
Using the Yahoo Season Scoring was merely one quick and simple way to observe and compare each of their rookie seasons with no major outlying contributing factors to inflate or deflate their totals. Everybody is quick to point to Makar's rookie season as being elite, he won the Calder Trophy after all, but Merzlikins had an elite season as well, in fact, he was more than twice as good as Makar based on our scoring system, your team would have been better off with Merzlikins than with Makar last season. In my opinion, Korpisalo is a glorified backup. Merzlikins just beat the Stanley Cup winning team today sporting a .938 and was awarded the 1st Star of the game. To date, Merzlikins has had 3 starts and Korpisalo has had 3 starts this season, so no, Merzlikins is far from the backup. They've started the season 1A/1B and with more time ticking away the coaching staff will understand that Merzlikins is a truly legit and elite goaltender that they can't afford to not play. Furthermore, if you were to track a player's development through the other various Junior, International and Professional leagues they've played in you'd have a greater understanding of a player's ability and why your comparison of Merzlikins to Hammond does more to illustrate your lack of knowledge in this area than it does to diminish Merzlikins' value. In my opinion, Makar will never be more valuable than he is right now. As soon as he loses eligibility some of the shine comes off. With Bowen Byram hitting the scene the offensive opportunities will be split between them, not ideal for either of them moving forward from a fantasy perspective. Defensemen are also the least valuable position. I don't really see the big deal with talking trades publicly, I don't have a problem with it, multiple managers have expressed an interest in more information being made available on the trade front so the most value can be had and/or everybody has a fair shake at certain players. Anyway, I don't need Makar, he's a fine player but I don't need him and I'm certainly not going to bend over backwards to acquire him. My team is a well oiled machine and I'm confident in my scouting and drafting abilities to supply me with anything I may need in the future. I'm always willing to talk trades though...but only if you're willing to offer me something better than Brogan Rafferty. How did I know you were going to use todays game to somehow support this warped sense of Merzlikins value. I mean, if Merzlikins is so good, elite as you say, I can't believe you even offered him in a trade to me! That was pretty silly of you. I sure missed out on a golden opportunity there. You should have an assistant GM to rein you in before you really make a bad move. Once again, you're bang on I really do need to research players more through Junior is it? other professional leagues? I'll check that out tonight. The Hammond comparison was merely an example as how player values can change based on a short sample size. I don't actually think Hammond and Merzlikins were the same skill level at those times. So if Makar is never going to be more valuable than he is right now, why trade for him at his peak value? Seems like a poor GM move to me, lucky I saved you! There's nothing that pleases me more than seeing someone bash the player they just tried and failed to trade for. Maybe you're right and he is. But the current projection and his skill set speak otherwise. If a Dman can produce like a 1st line forward and get a little under a point a game... I'd say that's pretty valuable. I was commenting on how rich it was you talking about insulting trade offers considering it seems you often make them yourself, not talking trades in general. Please don't confuse the two. Again you're missing what I said in my previous post, Rafferty for Jarry was a sarcastic offer after you gave me yours. But I can pick him back up again if you want to make a deal? I'd do that for you |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 24, 2021 5:11:19 GMT -5
Sooo, it's okay for you to point to a couple of less than stellar starts Merzlikins had in an effort to discredit him but when he turns in an elite performance against the Stanley Cup winners and was recognized as the best player in the game it's not credit worthy? It's okay to say it's a small sample size from last season to shrug off and discredit Merzlikins' accomplishments, accomplishments that more than double those of Makar, but a similar sample size from last season is enough to anoint Makar as the best offensive defenseman in the league? I think I see where your head's at. I haven't bashed Makar at all, I think he's a very fine player, elite, so that's why I offered an elite player for an elite player...to respond to your initial remarks. You're the one who hasn't given Merzlikins the proper respect he deserves, to the point you claim the Brogan Rafferty offer was a 'joke' offer you made to really stick it to me and my elite goaltender...I don't make 'joke' offers, I'm all business pal.  I've merely pointed to some concerns I'd have with Makar as time goes on. So, why trade for Makar at his peak value? There's a very simple reason, it's worth it to get those benefits. He's an elite option on defense, a producer who can be kept for free. Something much more valuable to a Top 6 team than a Bottom 6 team. Anyway, no hard feelings man! It's okay we don't see eye to eye with these players, it happens, take it easy! |
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Jan 24, 2021 12:33:11 GMT -5
I disagree, that it was an elite player for elite player proposal
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 24, 2021 13:52:59 GMT -5
Regardless of whether Makar is elite or great or good or whatever... In no world is Merzlikins more talented than Korpisalo. Nor is Merzlikins a superstar or even the "starter" for that matter. Korpisalo had a record-breaking 85 save performance, beat the Maple Leafs in the playoffs, and started the first game of the 2020-2021 season. Those things are pretty good indicators as to who the team thinks is its "starter." Your snake oil salesman prophecies about Merzlikins have no bearing on his actual value as an asset and are irrelevant. That is all. Continue. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 24, 2021 14:26:39 GMT -5
Merzlikins is absolutely more talented than Korpisalo, it's not even worth debating, you'd know this if you actually watched them play and followed their development to this point. Merzlikins is more talented than Rask too.  You'll see just how elite Merzlikins is in due time.
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Merzlikins was ranked the 4th best goaltender last year in his rookie season, 43rd best player overall. Makar was ranked the 12th best defenseman last year in his rookie season, 108th best player overall. Even if you didn't like the trade that was offered it was nevertheless a worthy offer and a sight better than Brogan Rafferty for Tristan Jarry. You just dropped Brogan Rafferty practically a day after offering him to me. I traded Mathew Barzal & Cayden Primeau for Tristan Jarry, to give you an understanding of how I value him. Sooo, yeah! 
Using the Yahoo Season Scoring was merely one quick and simple way to observe and compare each of their rookie seasons with no major outlying contributing factors to inflate or deflate their totals. Everybody is quick to point to Makar's rookie season as being elite, he won the Calder Trophy after all, but Merzlikins had an elite season as well, in fact, he was more than twice as good as Makar based on our scoring system, your team would have been better off with Merzlikins than with Makar last season. In my opinion, Korpisalo is a glorified backup. Merzlikins just beat the Stanley Cup winning team today sporting a .938 and was awarded the 1st Star of the game. To date, Merzlikins has had 3 starts and Korpisalo has had 3 starts this season, so no, Merzlikins is far from the backup. They've started the season 1A/1B and with more time ticking away the coaching staff will understand that Merzlikins is a truly legit and elite goaltender that they can't afford to not play.
I've merely pointed to some concerns I'd have with Makar as time goes on.
You'll see just how elite Merzlikins is in due time. 
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.