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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Dec 20, 2022 15:45:52 GMT -5
All this is about is allowing GMs to conduct their own teams that they manage as they see fit. Not about making decisions for them.
Bob - Kraken even after hearing everyone's thoughts on the matter seemingly doesn't want the trade to be reversed and people are trying to take that away from him. That's all I'm not cool with man.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 20, 2022 15:50:27 GMT -5
Fear mongering rhetoric. You are starting to sound like your brother now. What is more embarrassing? Attempting to discuss an issue politically that affects the whole league or threatening people and throwing temper tantrums. Lmfao, I'm discussing Fantasy Hockey bud. You're the one throwing Donald Trump into the mix. 😂😂😂 I'm someone who stands for CONSISTENCY. A concept that is VERY hard for you to grasp apparently. There are no threats or tantrums being had, that's your issue if you view it as such. I simply want things to run consistently and for every GM to be treated that exact same way with the same amount of fairness. Just because you make a claim and start an uproar doesn’t mean it is fact. What has been inconsistent about MY actions specifically? Im pretty consistent in almost every single league matter since it’s inception. In this instance, I’m acting as an arbitrator on behalf of the league who voiced its opinion on a trade it felt suspect. That is my responsibility as a commissioner. |
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Post by Robyn - Flames on Dec 20, 2022 15:52:19 GMT -5
...and whoever wanted Pasta would likely have a good chance of taking the league. My other reason for this trade was to see what type of reaction it would cause. This is a horrific comment by a new manager. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Dec 20, 2022 16:06:08 GMT -5
I have to go dig my house out of the snow and deal with more pressing matters at this moment but I'll try and reply to your comments once I have more time.
I'll just say this quickly, I'm one of the few GMs that annually thanks you for your service as Commish and think you do a great job overall. For anybody, there is always room for improvement including myself, feedback shouldn't be taken as insulting. Just trying to work through matters as respectfully as possible man.
It's the Christmas season boys! 🎄
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 20, 2022 16:10:24 GMT -5
I have to go dig my house out of the snow and deal with more pressing matters at this moment but I'll try and reply to your comments once I have more time. I'll just say this quickly, I'm one of the few GMs that annually thanks you for your service as Commish and think you do a great job overall. For anybody, there is always room for improvement including myself, feedback shouldn't be taken as insulting. Just trying to work through matters as respectfully as possible man. It's the Christmas season boys! 🎄 Touché. Stay safe out there. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 20, 2022 18:01:36 GMT -5
I'll just say this quickly, I'm one of the few GMs that annually thanks you for your service as Commish and think you do a great job overall. For anybody, there is always room for improvement including myself, feedback shouldn't be taken as insulting. Just trying to work through matters as respectfully as possible man. It's the Christmas season boys! 🎄 There is always room for improvement. I am not disputing that. Nor am I taking any feedback as insulting. I would in fact, as requested, welcome more feedback of what I can personally do better in this situation. The only things I have taken as insulting are the actual insults, like being called a “pussy” or a “cheater.” How is that working through matters as respectfully as possible? I’m always up for a good heckling and don’t want to promote snowflake culture, but you can’t argue both ways whenever it is convenient. This is something we can all learn from, but it is really a discussion you should be having with Nos. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 20, 2022 19:01:01 GMT -5
Like I've stated in the past, polls should not be anonymous, what kind of pussy shit is that? There are multiple extra accounts registered here that can be used to vote in any poll. Keeping votes anonymous lacks integrity. Something that's becoming commonplace here it would appear. Like I've stated in the other thread, anybody voting to veto this trade has zero integrity and if the trade gets vetoed the league itself has zero integrity. That is all. You sound like Donald Trump. Votes are anonymous so that every GM that is required to participate in this poll can do so without being berated by you like you have continually done to anyone who has a dissenting view throughout this entire process thus far. How? I've already stated why this is a problem with you ignoring the problem per usual. There are multiple accounts registered here that can vote in any poll. If it were only us in the league registered I'd be okay with it. I'm up in arms because this is truly the most ridiculous veto I've ever witnessed with nothing to back it. Also adding the question as 'Is this trade fair?' as the headlining VETO question is about as dishonest and manipulative as it gets. You know this. Keep pretending, it's easier than facing reality I guess. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 20, 2022 19:04:46 GMT -5
Looks like the 4th 'Yes' vote just came in, thankfully, that took way longer than it should have guys. Process the trade.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 21, 2022 4:38:14 GMT -5
Looks like the 4th 'Yes' vote just came in, thankfully, that took way longer than it should have guys. Process the trade. Really awkward spot to be in when one of the two managers involved in the trade is saying canceling it. Also, there is still one vote outstanding. Someone could magically have a change of heart before that is cast. The Bruins don't play again until tomorrow so we have a little bit of time to figure it out. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 21, 2022 4:45:03 GMT -5
So it does not allow me to change my vote but the question being asked I would not change my vote. Is the trade fair imo no not at all but that also doesn’t make it vetoable and I would vote no to it being vetoed just to be clear on my stance. If a trade "not at all being fair" doesn't meet your criteria for a veto what does? Sounds like the textbook definition of why one might veto as I understand the principle. Regardless, we are getting too caught up with semantics here. The conditions were laid out and the terms were explicitly defined in the initial post that you admittedly failed to read. Without all the discussion on how the poll should read, please clarify whether or not you wish to veto this trade. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 21, 2022 6:56:40 GMT -5
Looks like the 4th 'Yes' vote just came in, thankfully, that took way longer than it should have guys. Process the trade. Really awkward spot to be in when one of the two managers involved in the trade is saying canceling it. Also, there is still one vote outstanding. Someone could magically have a change of heart before that is cast. The Bruins don't play again until tomorrow so we have a little bit of time to figure it out. The only reason Bob said what he said was because of what you bullies are doing in regards to this trade, people get headaches and are discouraged by things like this, he hasn't stated he doesn't like the trade nor should he dislike it. Also, it doesn't even matter if he doesn't like it anymore because of what you've done to pollute his mind if you've done so with your bad opinions, also per the rulebook... 5) Trade Guidelines H) If you accept a trade offer, you can't reverse the trade. Too much time has already passed and it's affecting things. If a trade "not at all being fair" doesn't meet your criteria for a veto what does? Sounds like the textbook definition of why one might veto as I understand the principle. Regardless, we are getting too caught up with semantics here. The conditions were laid out and the terms were explicitly defined in the initial post that you admittedly failed to read. Without all the discussion on how the poll should read, please clarify whether or not you wish to veto this trade. Chris has already stated his opinion twice. Whether a trade being fair or not in someone else's mind is irrelevant, most trades I've seen somebody is winning it in my mind, each manager that makes a trade must believe he is winning the trade or he wouldn't make the trade. A veto is for cheating, I'm of the mindset now that vetoes shouldn't exist except for this reason because it takes away the ability to manage your team as you see fit and instead the team is being managed by the entire league and what's the point of that? |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 21, 2022 16:14:56 GMT -5
The only reason Bob said what he said was because of what you bullies are doing in regards to this trade, people get headaches and are discouraged by things like this, he hasn't stated he doesn't like the trade nor should he dislike it. Also, it doesn't even matter if he doesn't like it anymore because of what you've done to pollute his mind if you've done so with your bad opinions, also per the rulebook... 5) Trade Guidelines H) If you accept a trade offer, you can't reverse the trade. If you actually cared about the well-being of the league, or Bob becoming more competitive, you would welcome open bidding and allow him to accept offers from other GM's now that Pastrnak's availability is known. This is a competition. That's what makes the league good. It isn't my job to manage every single team in the league. You and everyone else were free to kick the tires and submit offers. I didn't even make the offer. Bob made the offer and I accepted it. Bob was your hand picked GM hire not mine. I think he's doing a great job in the limited time he's been here, he's made some very good moves including this one. Bob can speak for himself. Don't act like you are doing him any favors. Because As I previously stated, if you actually cared about the league or Bob improving his team you would allow him to seek competing offers. None of this superfluous rhetoric is relevant. OF COURSE you are going to praise him, and think his moves have been good because you are the only person benefitting from them at the detriment of the long-term health of the league. It is very telling that you chose to quote rules from the rulebook locking Bob into the trade rather than allow him to explore the option of seeking competing offers for Pastrnak. It is also very telling that you won't accept the Fiala deal and completely flip-flop logic when asked for an explanation. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 21, 2022 16:50:25 GMT -5
Bob is clearly still getting acclimated with the league and learning how things work (as evidenced by some most recent transactions that needed to be fixed), which is fine, that is too be expected. Nothing wrong with that...until something like this happens. So, if you care about the league and Bob making the best move for his team as you claim, step up or shut up. You KNOW this deal is terrible for Bob and for the league. Either accept the Fiala deal or allow Bob to field other offers from other GM's for one of the best fantasy players in the world. If yours is the best, then you get the player. I ACTUALLY care about the well-being of the league/Bob making the best move for his team and practice what I preach so I won't even make an offer. Deal?
This is really all this nonsense boils down to. You either have morals and integrity or you don't. You care or you don't. I know where I believe you stand, but how you decide to approach this will be confirmation one way or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 17:32:39 GMT -5
If my trade is vetoed , I will be keeping Pastrnak so don’t waste my time with other offers that can likely get vetoed
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 21, 2022 19:02:51 GMT -5
If my trade is vetoed , I will be keeping Pastrnak so don’t waste my time with other offers that can likely get vetoed Hey Bob, what I really want to know is are you still happy with this deal? I don't care about what anyone else has to say about this except for you. If you don't like the deal anymore there's absolutely no hard feelings at all, we can shake hands and call it off. If you're still happy to make the move and you believe it improves your team we can still make the deal. All that matters is what we think because we are the ones involved. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 19:23:44 GMT -5
If my trade is vetoed , I will be keeping Pastrnak so don’t waste my time with other offers that can likely get vetoed Hey Bob, what I really want to know is are you still happy with this deal? I don't care about what anyone else has to say about this except for you. If you don't like the deal anymore there's absolutely no hard feelings at all, we can shake hands and call it off. If you're still happy to make the move and you believe it improves your team we can still make the deal. All that matters is what we think because we are the ones involved. I dislike saying this but I wish to cancel this trade. I was only trying to put my ideas but as I have read! I have a lot to learn. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 21, 2022 19:28:02 GMT -5
Hey Bob, what I really want to know is are you still happy with this deal? I don't care about what anyone else has to say about this except for you. If you don't like the deal anymore there's absolutely no hard feelings at all, we can shake hands and call it off. If you're still happy to make the move and you believe it improves your team we can still make the deal. All that matters is what we think because we are the ones involved. I dislike saying this but I wish to cancel this trade. I was only trying to put my ideas but as I have read! I have a lot to learn. That's cool man, no worries! We'll talk more in the future even if it's not for Pastrnak.  |
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.