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Post by Mark - Bruins on Apr 21, 2011 15:09:31 GMT -5
I wanted to hear more from the bottom 6, that's all. You know, the teams actually affected by this type of change. That's a pretty condescending statement. ALL the teams are actually affected by this type of change. Just because the change proposed doesn't agree with your philosophy doesn't mean those who are for it should have their voices ignored or opinions discounted. Also, I was one of the bottom six teams this past season and I have been quite vocal about my views. If you need to hear more from me, just ask!  |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Apr 21, 2011 19:50:16 GMT -5
While it's true that all teams are affected I think this affects the bottom teams the most. It's hardly condescending, I've already heard from most of the top of the league with Jason being the one exception at the time. I already knew how you guys were voting, how you took this as an insult...I don't know. I'm not ignoring your 'voice' or discounting your opinions. I disagree, not much more to it. I could have worded it better, I put it down to frustration on my part.
You were in the bottom six because you gave up on your season. I asked you a question earlier in this thread that you ignored, other than that I have nothing further to ask.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Apr 22, 2011 8:39:32 GMT -5
My fault in the late voting Ive been fighting for custody of my son and am representing myself so I've been rather busy as you can imagine. As one of the bottom 6 who will be affected by this change being that I've taken the time to rebuild and start from scratch Im not in favor at all to this change. I like the fact that Keepers can be moved. I hate to say it but I 100% agree with Nos on this one  . haha The fact that I have worked hard to build up the farm team that I have and its just about to turn the corner and those players that I have will be starting to lose there farm eligibility will really hurt not being able to possibly aquire additional keeper slots in the coming years. At least thats what I feel for my team inperticular. Im going to have quite a few players losing that eligibility throughout the next season and obviously cant keep them all. The fact that I can trade for Keeper slots has crossed my mind in my decision making on making deals or not making deals neumerous times. So im against this |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Apr 22, 2011 8:47:51 GMT -5
The fact that I can trade for Keeper slots has crossed my mind in my decision making on making deals or not making deals neumerous times. So im against this This is a great point and something I failed to mention, I've also made decisions based around the fact that I believed this system was what we were going to use going forward. Had I known of this impending change I probably would have had a different outlook on making deals this past season. |
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Apr 22, 2011 8:57:11 GMT -5
WHAT!! Nos agreeing with me. Must be the NHL11 bonding time were getting. Lol
In all seriousness though, I really just don't like the idea of eliminating something that was in place and is working. Its up to the bottom teams to get better. Not the league to make them better. My team has been built up year after year through drafting and trades. I feel like this would be a smack in the face to other managers who have done the same. I a keeper slot before and liked the deal and the player I got was just moved this season in a bigger deal and im fairly certian he will be a keeper this year so its not like everytime a keeper slot is moved its for crap. It helps distribute talent. If your a bottom team your not going to all of a sudden become a winner. Its a process you have to build the talent up you have to be patient and work at it I thought that was what this league was about when I joined so I had no problem and still have no problem with my techniques in rebuilding this team that I have, but to eliminate a tool that I had every intention of using and was building my team with the knoweldge of that tool being there would just down right be wrong. IMO.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Apr 22, 2011 10:40:37 GMT -5
I will put my vote to no and I am also sorry for taking so long. I have just found out I will be moving from London to Ottawa in 2 months. Have to get my house ready and sell by then yikes. I think there is a medium to be met here. We should consider making a maximum keeper slots acquired. Say only two so a team can keep 12 and possibly grandfather in removing the trading of keeper slots by taking one away next year and the year after until all teams are set at 10 for good. Good Luck with your son Chris hope all works out for the best.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on May 3, 2011 11:29:20 GMT -5
There were not enough votes to eliminate the trading of keeper slots, therefore the rule will remain as is.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on May 26, 2012 16:32:29 GMT -5
To pick up where this thread left off, the postseason playoff pool has been instituted as a way to engage owners during the off-season and is meant to be the only means by which a team can earn an additional keeper slot.
To formally institute this rule, I need the Toronto Maple Leafs and Anaheim Ducks to vote either for or against the elimination of traditional keeper slot trading.
Also, I know that a couple GM's wanted to change their votes from "No" to "Yes." This is also acceptable. Please vote/re-vote by June 1st so that everything is set and ready to go when trading re-opens.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on May 27, 2012 0:17:20 GMT -5
I feel like the vote needs to be retaken in a new poll if that's something you want to reinitialize, a year has gone by and a legit vote should take place if that's at the top of your 'to do' list.
I don't mind changing my vote either, as I've said in the past, it doesn't really hurt my team. It doesn't hurt the stronger placed teams much at all because they have bargaining power and legit assets. It's the lower placed teams that would be forced into keeping margin players instead of stock piling assets like picks and young players to build and structure their team for the future with.
My vote was for the good of the lower placed teams.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jun 6, 2012 11:33:25 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jun 6, 2012 13:49:14 GMT -5
I vote no more trading Keeper slots and I finished 12th overall. Building each season through waiver draft should be more important to fantasy hockey. Drafting is one of the best parts.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jun 6, 2012 16:45:18 GMT -5
After re reading everything I still think my thoughts are pretty well expressed in this thread so I'll just refer to my above posts. I understand both sides of this debate however and if the rule gets changed it's not like I'm going to throw a hissy fit I'll just have to adjust.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jun 6, 2012 17:11:38 GMT -5
With Tyler changing his vote, there are now enough to eliminate the trading of keeper slots. So unless anyone strongly objects and wants to prolong the inevitable, there will be no more trading of keeper slots moving forward.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 6, 2012 21:02:14 GMT -5
With Tyler changing his vote, there are now enough to eliminate the trading of keeper slots. So unless anyone strongly objects and wants to prolong the inevitable, there will be no more trading of keeper slots moving forward. I strongly object not to the rule change but the method with which you've gone about trying to change the rule. This poll was taken over a year ago. A new poll needs to be taken with a legit vote, it's in the rulebook after all, if it passes I'm fine with it. Otherwise I feel like you've over stepped your bounds to push something you want through, I view that as irresponsible. I don't see the problem with retaking the poll. Do we still even have all the same managers that took place in the first poll? Do you even have 2/3 majority vote? With Tyler's vote changed that gives you 6 to 5, the poll was originally tied 5-5 so I don't even know where that 6 vote came from. Not to mention other managers still have accounts here like Brad - Blackhawks in the other league, he can vote in that thread as can other members that are not actually a part of this league. Without viewing the actual votes it's actually pretty shady if you ask me. Even if you take that vote at face, it's 7 to 4, that's still not enough to change the rule. You need 8 of 12, 2/3 majority. Why cut corners? |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 6, 2012 21:04:17 GMT -5
I'd even be okay with putting the trading of keeper slots on hold (since it's after June 1st) until after the new vote has been completed.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 6, 2012 21:47:26 GMT -5
I vote no more trading Keeper slots and I finished 12th overall. Building each season through waiver draft should be more important to fantasy hockey. Drafting is one of the best parts. You're right, drafting is one of the best parts, that's why I love this league. We have 3 drafts, you hold 15 draft picks every year. How many keeper slots are traded every year? I'd say 4 to 5 on average, this past season there were 5 traded, one manager traded/gained a keeper slot, so really it was 4. That's a difference of just 4 players, and not even 4 extra players but different players, in a draft that selects 108 players every year. The option to trade slots is simply that, an option, you're voting to take away an option. That's something I just don't get. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jun 6, 2012 22:05:13 GMT -5
Yes.
Yes.
The 6th vote came from 1 of the 2 managers who didnt previously vote. With Tyler's vote, that makes it 7-4.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 6, 2012 22:20:56 GMT -5
7-4 isn't 2/3 majority vote, like I went on to say. We need to view poll votes, transparency, professionalism, etc.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jun 6, 2012 23:50:57 GMT -5
Officially changing my vote from "no" to "yes" aswell, even though I don't mind having a new poll at all.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jun 7, 2012 8:02:32 GMT -5
We really should take a new poll on this topic. You can argue for both sides all day long.
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. haha
So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.