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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 5, 2013 16:22:38 GMT -5
No your not paying attention. The rules governing development teams will now be adjusted.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Mar 5, 2013 16:24:15 GMT -5
Oh I'm paying attention but however they haven't been changed yet. However this still sends the message to the league that no matter the confusion its ok because once you state there is confusion on your part we'll make sure to fix it so you don't lose your player even though the whole league thinks otherwise
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Post by Hawks on Mar 5, 2013 16:29:24 GMT -5
The vote was whether Galchenyuk should be returned to Boston, not whether or not he was legally claimed off waivers. I'm pretty sure 2/3 of the league would agree that he was claimed within the confines of the league rules so why would he need a vote to keep him. I was under the impression that the vote was to determine if we should return Galchenyuk to Boston...
PS. Can I have Hertl back? Because I was unaware that my farm team was at capacity at the time that I drafted him.
I really couldn't care less who has Gallly but I think a negative precedent is being set with this ruling..
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Mar 5, 2013 17:21:40 GMT -5
Just so we are clear, I DESPISE the rule pertaining to the reversal of minor league transactions post-waiver period. I am in favor of harsh punishment for those who break the rules (especially after repeated warnings). And I am all for allowing the members of the league to vote for the rules that govern it without taking an authoritarian approach (unless the league can not reach a conclusion on its own). And it seems like that is what we have here. So, by the powers vested in me, I hereby order the return of Alex Galchenyuk to Boston and Drew Shore to Detroit. New rules in the rulebook to follow. The fact that you just did that compared to what the league was informed 1.5 years ago is obvious, undeniable proof of your double standards. You cannot say one thing and act the complete opposite when exactly the same thing happens in the future. No need to twist or turn anything. That's just the way it is. Oh and the league came to a conclusion alright. Exactly the same conclusion you stumbled upon last year. Why you're dead set on reversing your decision and ignoring the wishes of the majority of the league is beyond me, but I'm sure the "best of the league" needed it. One could whisper the infamous c-word but that would be twisting it, right? It's not like rulings need to be the same for everyone anyway. One could argue that an absolutely terrible precedent is being set here, but since every decision can be decided individually based on just about everything except logic I suppose precedents aren't really worth anything anyway.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 5, 2013 22:24:01 GMT -5
Not that it matters now but I'd like to reverse my vote in favor of Markus (sorry Mark) because I dislike the precedent this sets. It also goes against my own personal leaning when it comes to activity and accountability. Markus is correct that a ruling was made almost 2 years ago on the same matter, whether or not that ruling was too harsh is up for debate, but I think I let the value of the players in question cloud my judgement of what should be done with them and how they can be acquired. I apologize for my hastiness in the past, this is truly how I feel.
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Post by Hawks on Mar 6, 2013 9:23:57 GMT -5
Nos I don't think you're alone.. If this was a lesser player, I guarantee that others would have voted differently; when in reality, the value of the player in question should be irrelevant.
I 100% agree that the decision sets a negative precedent and I also agree that the use of the 2nd poll to reverse the decision sets an even worse precedent. It is still beyond me how the 2nd poll decided that Gally needed to be returned to Boston...
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Mar 6, 2013 9:33:05 GMT -5
Nos saying that would make it 8-4.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 6, 2013 10:02:24 GMT -5
I 100% agree that the decision sets a negative precedent and I also agree that the use of the 2nd poll to reverse the decision sets an even worse precedent. It is still beyond me how the 2nd poll decided that Gally needed to be returned to Boston... This is just getting painful to read now. You are either trying to get under my skin on purpose or you are mentally handicapped. Those are the only options. For the last and final time: NO rules existed in the rulebook detailing how the league should handle poll situations that were not related to removing managers from the league or amending rules.Translation: Rulebook has rules A and B. We need rule C for the Galchenyuk case. Rule C does not exist. The first poll that was put up warranted an outcome, but its outcome didn't/doesn't mean anything until new rules for said poll are established. Hence the second poll; to establish new rules.Translation: Poll A was written in an ancient language that is now extinct. In order to understand the poll, we must find a way to decode its meaning. Before the second poll concluded, certain GM/s decided that I wasn't being authoritarian enough, so I took it upon myself to settle certain issues that the league was unable to do so on its own. One of those decisions being returning Galchenyuk back to Boston. Translation: Before we could find the secret codex to understand Poll A, I made an executive decision to return Galchenyuk to Boston because the league was fighting over personal interests instead of the betterment of the league. If you still don't get it, I will have to draw pictures next time I guess.
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