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Post by Jacob - Wild on Aug 9, 2018 19:04:27 GMT -5
The Minnesota Wild trade: Alex Galchenyuk 2019 2nd Round Waiver Pick
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Dante Fabbro Nikita Scherbak Anton Forsberg
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 9, 2018 19:06:13 GMT -5
Washington accepts
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2018 2:09:23 GMT -5
I would love to hear some opinions on this trade. Perhaps each side defending their position even.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Aug 13, 2018 10:41:03 GMT -5
This trade is really light in Minnesota’s return for what they traded. I get it if your trying to rebuild through younger players; but the only player with value is Fabbro and some type of entry pick should have been sought after. Just my opinion though.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 14, 2018 14:52:10 GMT -5
Not sure why I need to defend my position. But....
I traded a top end defensive prospect in Fabbro along with Scherbak who is a strong prospect along with a back up goalie for a 50 pt center in hopes that his new surroundings improve on his career best numbers of 56 points.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 14, 2018 16:35:18 GMT -5
Not sure why I need to defend my position. But.... I traded a top end defensive prospect in Fabbro along with Scherbak who is a strong prospect along with a back up goalie for a 50 pt center in hopes that his new surroundings improve on his career best numbers of 56 points. I made an unbiased statement asking both parties to defend their positions. If you feel that to be unnecessary, next time I will phrase my statement something along the lines of, "This trade is lopsided and doesn't make sense from a contending or rebuilding perspective. Should it be considered for a veto?"
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 15, 2018 0:40:50 GMT -5
I don’t see the need for it to be questioned 4 days after the fact. Everyone had been logged on and off multiple times and no problems what’s the problem with the deal that would make it considerable for veto.
I’m looking at the possibility of him breaking out in Arizona. At the expense of 2 prospects and a backup goalie I’m ok with the chance. I asked for the price on him he sent that offer I took it.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 15, 2018 1:04:02 GMT -5
I don’t see the need for it to be questioned 4 days after the fact. Everyone had been logged on and off multiple times and no problems what’s the problem with the deal that would make it considerable for veto. I’m looking at the possibility of him breaking out in Arizona. At the expense of 2 prospects and a backup goalie I’m ok with the chance. I asked for the price on him he sent that offer I took it. Just because nobody says anything doesn’t mean they don’t have opinions. Some people don’t want to speak out because they don’t want to be perceived as the “bad guy.” Others aren’t comfortable speaking out because they are unsure if their opinion is shared by anyone else. It is my responsibility to take on that role and do what is best for the league. The fact that even one GM spoke up when I requested should answer your questions. With that said, I don’t think anyone is questioning your side of the deal. As has previously been stated, what you are giving up is VERY light for what you are getting in return. Essentially two young top line players in Galchenyuk and Reinhart and a roster spot for two prospects who at BEST, MIGHT be as good as these two one day and a backup backup goalie. Any way you slice it, it is a terrible trade and a ton of value was left on the table.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Aug 15, 2018 1:54:44 GMT -5
Minnesota is gaining two former 1st Round Entry picks, one who's going to be captain of Boston U in his 3rd college year, and the other who will have a spot on the Montreal Canadians that has had solid numbers throughout his career. Forsberg may be considered a bit of a gamble but he is still a young goaltender that has performed well in the AHL. He had an underwhelming 35 games last season on an underwhelming Blackhawks squad.
I wouldn't consider this trade veto-able in slightest, I myself would've possibly countered with a 3rd Round Waiver rather than a 2nd Round Waiver however.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 15, 2018 1:57:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry that 1 GM speaking up now 6 days after the fact doesn't really tell me much at all. He said that he gets it if the team is trying to build through getting younger and says that it is a little light. However at no point calls for a veto as you suggest previously. I didn't get Reinhart either in this trade I got a pick in next years waiver draft which will be dependent on how I draft then.
He's trading Gally at what is his current value, a 50 pt center which is abundant in the league. I'm hoping he breaks out into something more.
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Post by Jacob - Wild on Aug 15, 2018 5:37:28 GMT -5
My reasoning for this trade is quite simple. I don’t exactly like Galchenyuk playing in Arizona and was looking at moving him anyways, I wasn’t very active about it because i was optimistic. However Washinton expressed interest and I came at him with an offer.
Fabbro is one of the top defence prospects in the league and next year could see top line time with Subban, who we all know is a proven top defencemen. As Daniel said, he will be one of BU’s captain this year and is poised for another great season.
Scherbak will see top line minutes in a young Montreal team that is looking for answers after a horrible season. This means he could see first line time throughout the whole season, or perhaps be traded to a more successful team come next year.
Both prospects are young and extremely talented and, in my opinion, will meet the value of Galchenyuk within thw year. Yes, I’m openly stating that as it stands currenty, Galchenyuk has a higher value than these young players. However, given the fact that Galchenyuk is playing for Arizona, a team I’ve already shown displeasure in, and the continuing growth and promise in these young players. Gave me enough reason to consider this trade.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 15, 2018 12:55:56 GMT -5
My reasoning for this trade is quite simple. I don’t exactly like Galchenyuk playing in Arizona and was looking at moving him anyways, I wasn’t very active about it because i was optimistic. However Washinton expressed interest and I came at him with an offer. Fabbro is one of the top defence prospects in the league and next year could see top line time with Subban, who we all know is a proven top defencemen. As Daniel said, he will be one of BU’s captain this year and is poised for another great season. Scherbak will see top line minutes in a young Montreal team that is looking for answers after a horrible season. This means he could see first line time throughout the whole season, or perhaps be traded to a more successful team come next year. Both prospects are young and extremely talented and, in my opinion, will meet the value of Galchenyuk within thw year. Yes, I’m openly stating that as it stands currenty, Galchenyuk has a higher value than these young players. However, given the fact that Galchenyuk is playing for Arizona, a team I’ve already shown displeasure in, and the continuing growth and promise in these young players. Gave me enough reason to consider this trade. I'm not sure where you are getting this information from other than speculation but there is a very slim chance Fabbro plays with Subban next year. He might not even be in the NHL at all. Nashville has one of the deepest blue lines in the league with Subban, Josi, Ellis and Ekholm who are all still fairly young and have established roles. AHL is my guess. Also, "top defense prospect" is a bit of a stretch, but I guess it depends on how you define the term. I would argue Dahlin, Hughes, Girard, Heiskanen, Boqvist, Makar, Girard, Pulock, Chabot, Liljegren, Valimaki, Bouchard, Brannstrom, Chychrun, Mete, Timmins, Honka, DeAngelo, Dobson, Montour, etc. etc. etc. are all better options. As for Scherbak, it is not certain he sees "top line minutes." Domi, Drouin, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Danault are locks in the top 6. Hudon, Scherbak and Armia will fight for the final spot on the 2nd line. If Scherbak gets outplayed it is the 3rd or 4th line for him. I just don't see the logic with Galchenyuk. You would rather own him when he is playing on the 3rd and 4th lines in Montreal and not when he will be on the top line and 1st power play unit in Arizona. Regardless of what Montreal is looking to do, the fact is they are a terrible team and Arizona is one that is on the rise. Montreal finished the year 7-20. Arizona was 16-11. At best Montreal has made lateral off season moves, and at worst has made the team even more terrible, whereas Arizona has made itself better, at least on paper. In any event, thanks for the responses.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Aug 15, 2018 17:57:17 GMT -5
We run into this problem all the time. Everything that’s been said is all opinions of guys on players. Opinions aren’t right or wrong.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 15, 2018 18:43:37 GMT -5
We run into this problem all the time. Everything that’s been said is all opinions of guys on players. Opinions aren’t right or wrong. Outside of saying who I believed to be better prospects, nothing of what I said was an “opinion.” I provided facts and statistics to produce likly predictions of the future. Which is what every GM should do and not rely ONLY on opinion like the statements of Glenn - Wild.
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Post by Jacob - Wild on Aug 15, 2018 19:18:21 GMT -5
We run into this problem all the time. Everything that’s been said is all opinions of guys on players. Opinions aren’t right or wrong. Outside of saying who I believed to be better prospects, nothing of what I said was an “opinion.” I provided facts and statistics to produce likly predictions of the future. Which is what every GM should do and not rely ONLY on opinion like the statements of Glenn - Wild. My name ain't Glenn, and that's a fact.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 15, 2018 20:21:22 GMT -5
Outside of saying who I believed to be better prospects, nothing of what I said was an “opinion.” I provided facts and statistics to produce likly predictions of the future. Which is what every GM should do and not rely ONLY on opinion like the statements of Glenn - Wild. My name ain't Glenn, and that's a fact. Haha. Touché. I sent a PM to Glenn - Wild the other day on accident too. Also a fact. Got so used to yelling at that guy, it is hard to break the habit. My apologies.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 15, 2018 23:33:06 GMT -5
Derrick, your radar remains a bit off bud-dy. Remember one short year ago you said Rakell was basically garbage, a one-trick pony acquiring points due to situational advantage rather than with true skill? You said he would never repeat his goal output (33) or maintain a high shooting percentage. Well, he did improve yet again as he's done every season, scored 34 goals, minor and expected drop in his shooting percentage (18.6 to 14.8) but remains among the league's best, played in more games, got 2 more minutes of earned ice time, more PP time and production, doubled his assists and drastically improved his shot totals. Something I'm sure his coach made sure he was aware of after seeing how accurate he could be. Remember when you said all of this total nonsense? As for Dipietro/Comrie. Comrie is miles ahead of Dipietro and by all accounts is on track to be the next starting goaltender and future for the Winnipeg Jets (as indicated by the team only offering Hellebuyck a one year deal). Dipietro is super young, but his talent level is suspect and there is zero indication that he will ever play a game in the NHL especially since he has stiff competition in Markstrom and Demko ahead of him. I don't have any hard line numbers to back this up because it is all speculation. Speculation as it may be, not all speculation is equal in terms of analysis. And not that it matters, but I kind of consider myself a goalie "expert." I have been drafting/signing/"developing"/rostering numerous starting goalies (Rinne, Bobrovsky, Talbot, Raanta, Rask, Gibson, Hiller, Backstrom, Pavelec, Niemi, Neuvirth, Leclaire, Elliott, Bishop, Theodore) for a decade now. Does anything really need to be said? Hellebuyck was one of the best goalies last year. Comrie remains droppable garbage. Dipietro is a Top 10 goalie prospect. Memba dis? You actually said this to me. Care to wager a 1st Round Entry pick on who scores more points? I'll take Okposo if you want Rakell. Rakell: 69 Points. Okposo: 44 Points. Either way, I think the plan is to roll the dice and develop Comrie behind Mason. Thankfully elite teams don't just 'roll the dice' right? Factor in that Raanta is still fairly young and is on an "up and coming team," to make matters worse. But of course I'm not telling you anything you don't already know and what's done is done so I'll won't waste my breath. Wow, 'up and coming team' and 'on the rise' cliches. I feel like I've heard this Arizona Coyotes rhetoric forever now. Wishful thinking? Or hard Raanta sell job? Here are the actual team facts between the Canadiens and Coyotes... Montreal Canadiens: 2017-2018: 28th (71 Points) 2016-2017: 7th (103 Points) 2015-2016: 22nd (82 Points) 2014-2015: 2nd (110 Points) 2013-2014: 9th (100 Points) Arizona Coyotes: 2017-2018: 29th (70 Points) 2016-2017: 28th (70 Points) 2015-2016: 24th (78 Points) 2014-2015: 29th (56 Points) 2013-2014: 18th (89 Points) The Coyotes have always been a perennial loser and will remain one for all time. While the Canadiens actually had 3 top tier years in the last 5. The Canadiens have the better team in every single area. Now, as far as the trade goes. At first it's a bit of a head scratcher, the prospects involved aren't exactly 'names' that a casual fan would recognize as valuable, however, that doesn't mean nothing is there. As far as I'm concerned Galchenyuk carries negative value. I would not roster this player whatsoever under any circumstance. His +/- is a liability and going from the Canadiens to the Coyotes can only be seen as a negative even if Derrick believes the opposite to be true. There are better players still available in the FA Waiver Pool. So, do you believe these 3 prospects to be as valuable as a 2nd Round Waiver pick? It really depends on the team. What can you actually expect to gain from a 2nd Round Waiver pick? At best a #10 Keeper? More likely than not a serviceable 1-year rental player. Or you can pick up a bust. It's always a bit of a gamble even if you really know what you're doing. What you get with these prospects could be more valuable. They're assets you can roster for free for 2+ years and call up and down your roster at will to address needs. Fabbro was a 1st Round pick, organizations don't treat them lightly and he's progressed every single year he's played, something I value highly in evaluating prospects. Sure, Nashville's defense is unreal but that's hardly a negative. Nashville drafts defensemen well, guy. It's better to be around players like these, there's even opportunity to play with somebody great immediately. Roman Josi could be the odd man out once more is known about developing prospects and team needs. He's only signed for 2 more years, along with Irwin & Weber. Subban & Ekholm are signed for 4 years and they just gave a massive contract to Ellis. Josi could be used as trade bait to improve elsewhere within those next 2 seasons. Dante Fabbro just turned 20 years old, alright? Time is on his side. Scherbak, again, 1st Round pick, has been stellar and productive over his entire playing career. He has a legitimate chance to crack the Top 6 and I believe he will because he's better than Lehkonen and nobody else will challenge that spot. Hudon, Shaw & Armia are the 4th line and have almost zero chance at the Top 6. Armia isn't even signed. The jury is still out on Forsberg and time begins to become a factor but I would label his numbers over his career as solid, a lot can still happen with him, another year in the AHL would do him some good I think. When he comes back it could be with a team other than the Blackhawks. So, overall, at best I think this trade could be seen as a particularly savvy and worthwhile move by Jacob - Wild or at worst was a calculated risk that unfortunately didn't meet expectations. To kind of jump down his throat over this is a little strange to be honest. In contrast, I believe the trade you made with Kyle - Devils to be truly horrendous for you. Weber is finished. He's old. He'll miss the first half of the year. At best you get a solid half year out of him and to you that's worth a Top 12 pick in an excellent draft & a defenseman who will be comparable to Weber statistically? Miller is also a whole lot younger. I'd rather have either one of those assets over Shea Weber, nevermind both. So, that's worth upgrading your #5 D position? For a half year rental with some praying involved? Really? Weird. Horrible. That 1st Round pick is rightfully mine.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 16, 2018 2:04:10 GMT -5
Derrick, your radar remains a bit off bud-dy. Remember one short year ago you said Rakell was basically garbage, a one-trick pony acquiring points due to situational advantage rather than with true skill? You said he would never repeat his goal output (33) or maintain a high shooting percentage. Well, he did improve yet again as he's done every season, scored 34 goals, minor and expected drop in his shooting percentage (18.6 to 14.8) but remains among the league's best, played in more games, got 2 more minutes of earned ice time, more PP time and production, doubled his assists and drastically improved his shot totals. Something I'm sure his coach made sure he was aware of after seeing how accurate he could be. Remember when you said all of this total nonsense? As for Dipietro/Comrie. Comrie is miles ahead of Dipietro and by all accounts is on track to be the next starting goaltender and future for the Winnipeg Jets (as indicated by the team only offering Hellebuyck a one year deal). Dipietro is super young, but his talent level is suspect and there is zero indication that he will ever play a game in the NHL especially since he has stiff competition in Markstrom and Demko ahead of him. I don't have any hard line numbers to back this up because it is all speculation. Speculation as it may be, not all speculation is equal in terms of analysis. And not that it matters, but I kind of consider myself a goalie "expert." I have been drafting/signing/"developing"/rostering numerous starting goalies (Rinne, Bobrovsky, Talbot, Raanta, Rask, Gibson, Hiller, Backstrom, Pavelec, Niemi, Neuvirth, Leclaire, Elliott, Bishop, Theodore) for a decade now. Does anything really need to be said? Hellebuyck was one of the best goalies last year. Comrie remains droppable garbage. Dipietro is a Top 10 goalie prospect. Memba dis? You actually said this to me. Care to wager a 1st Round Entry pick on who scores more points? I'll take Okposo if you want Rakell. Rakell: 69 Points. Okposo: 44 Points. Either way, I think the plan is to roll the dice and develop Comrie behind Mason. Thankfully elite teams don't just 'roll the dice' right? Factor in that Raanta is still fairly young and is on an "up and coming team," to make matters worse. But of course I'm not telling you anything you don't already know and what's done is done so I'll won't waste my breath. Wow, 'up and coming team' and 'on the rise' cliches. I feel like I've heard this Arizona Coyotes rhetoric forever now. Wishful thinking? Or hard Raanta sell job? Here are the actual team facts between the Canadiens and Coyotes... Montreal Canadiens: 2017-2018: 28th (71 Points) 2016-2017: 7th (103 Points) 2015-2016: 22nd (82 Points) 2014-2015: 2nd (110 Points) 2013-2014: 9th (100 Points) Arizona Coyotes: 2017-2018: 29th (70 Points) 2016-2017: 28th (70 Points) 2015-2016: 24th (78 Points) 2014-2015: 29th (56 Points) 2013-2014: 18th (89 Points) The Coyotes have always been a perennial loser and will remain one for all time. While the Canadiens actually had 3 top tier years in the last 5. The Canadiens have the better team in every single area. Now, as far as the trade goes. At first it's a bit of a head scratcher, the prospects involved aren't exactly 'names' that a casual fan would recognize as valuable, however, that doesn't mean nothing is there. As far as I'm concerned Galchenyuk carries negative value. I would not roster this player whatsoever under any circumstance. His +/- is a liability and going from the Canadiens to the Coyotes can only be seen as a negative even if Derrick believes the opposite to be true. There are better players still available in the FA Waiver Pool. So, do you believe these 3 prospects to be as valuable as a 2nd Round Waiver pick? It really depends on the team. What can you actually expect to gain from a 2nd Round Waiver pick? At best a #10 Keeper? More likely than not a serviceable 1-year rental player. Or you can pick up a bust. It's always a bit of a gamble even if you really know what you're doing. What you get with these prospects could be more valuable. They're assets you can roster for free for 2+ years and call up and down your roster at will to address needs. Fabbro was a 1st Round pick, organizations don't treat them lightly and he's progressed every single year he's played, something I value highly in evaluating prospects. Sure, Nashville's defense is unreal but that's hardly a negative. Nashville drafts defensemen well, guy. It's better to be around players like these, there's even opportunity to play with somebody great immediately. Roman Josi could be the odd man out once more is known about developing prospects and team needs. He's only signed for 2 more years, along with Irwin & Weber. Subban & Ekholm are signed for 4 years and they just gave a massive contract to Ellis. Josi could be used as trade bait to improve elsewhere within those next 2 seasons. Dante Fabbro just turned 20 years old, alright? Time is on his side. Scherbak, again, 1st Round pick, has been stellar and productive over his entire playing career. He has a legitimate chance to crack the Top 6 and I believe he will because he's better than Lehkonen and nobody else will challenge that spot. Hudon, Shaw & Armia are the 4th line and have almost zero chance at the Top 6. Armia isn't even signed. The jury is still out on Forsberg and time begins to become a factor but I would label his numbers over his career as solid, a lot can still happen with him, another year in the AHL would do him some good I think. When he comes back it could be with a team other than the Blackhawks. So, overall, at best I think this trade could be seen as a particularly savvy and worthwhile move by Jacob - Wild or at worst was a calculated risk that unfortunately didn't meet expectations. To kind of jump down his throat over this is a little strange to be honest. In contrast, I believe the trade you made with Kyle - Devils to be truly horrendous for you. Weber is finished. He's old. He'll miss the first half of the year. At best you get a solid half year out of him and to you that's worth a Top 12 pick in an excellent draft & a defenseman who will be comparable to Weber statistically? Miller is also a whole lot younger. I'd rather have either one of those assets over Shea Weber, nevermind both. So, that's worth upgrading your #5 D position? For a half year rental with some praying involved? Really? Weird. Horrible. That 1st Round pick is rightfully mine. Just because you say something doesn't make it fact. Not only are you flat out wrong in some instances you are misrepresenting my arguments and/or omitting key pieces of information to make your points. In terms of Rakall and Okposo, you are omitting one key phrase. "IF HEALTHY." Okposo missed games and played most of the season injured (concussion symptoms, ribs). Yes, Rakell improved his goal output by ONE. That is a far cry from the "drastic" improvement you and others were claiming. His increase in goals by one was a result of, as you pointed out, more shots taken, thus, as I stated a year ago would result in a lower scoring percentage. If Henrique or Eaves or any Dman starts to absorb those shots, expect a dip in goals. In what world is Dipietro a top 10 goalie prospect? I could name AT LEAST 15 prospect goalies I would want before him. What is your definition of "prospect?" Also in what world is Comrie STILL not ahead of Dipietro in terms of development? Comrie has played games in the NHL and starts for his AHL team. Comrie is still dicking around in the OHL. Sure, he won OHL Goalie of the Year. That puts him up there with such esteemed company as Michael McNiven, Mackenzie Blackwood, Lucas Perressini, Michael Houser, and Jordan Binnington. All of whom I assume make up the rest of your top 10 goalie prospect pool. When did I ever say Hellebyck was bad? Sure, Hellebyck had a great year. But he had to, it was a contract year because the organization was unsure of his ability so they signed him to a one year deal, as I stated a year ago. He didn't buckle under the pressure and proved his worth. Good for him. Whether it was this year, or next, or 5 years from now my statement still stands. Comrie is being devolped as the future goaltender of the Winnipeg Jets. Nobody is talking about the past 5 seasons. I was talking about the end of the 2017-2018 season and the outlook of the 2018-2019 season. You know, the only ones that matter. The roster of players on both teams is compltely different now than in any of the other years you cited. Claiming they are somehow relevant is absurd. The fact is Montreal finished 7-20 and Arizona finished 16-11. Montreal has done very little to improve on last year's team, if anything at all. Arizona has improved. At least on paper. Hard sell on Raanta you say? I don't need to do any selling, the stats don't lie. RAANTA (47 GP) HAD THE BEST GAA (2.24) AND SV% (.930) OF EVERY STARTER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE LAST SEASON. As for my trade, I couldn't keep Miller after this season and I have a plethora of replacements to fill his shoes while Weber is out. There isn't a better "rental" player available for a playoff run for the price I paid. My Entry Pick will presumably be 10-12. It was a no-brainer for both sides and a gamble I was willing to take.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 16, 2018 4:53:28 GMT -5
Just because you say something doesn't make it fact. Not only are you flat out wrong in some instances you are misrepresenting my arguments and/or omitting key pieces of information to make your points. I mean...the facts are there for all to see. Your evaluation of the facts is a little skewed. I'm never wrong. Also, I'm not misrepresenting anything, these are the facts, direct quotes from you. You know, shit you've said verbatim, complete sentences, or full on paragraphs. In terms of Rakall and Okposo, you are omitting one key phrase. "IF HEALTHY." Okposo missed games and played most of the season injured (concussion symptoms, ribs). Yes, Rakell improved his goal output by ONE. That is a far cry from the "drastic" improvement you and others were claiming. His increase in goals by one was a result of, as you pointed out, more shots taken, thus, as I stated a year ago would result in a lower scoring percentage. If Henrique or Eaves or any Dman starts to absorb those shots, expect a dip in goals. Say whaaat? Talk about misrepresenting. I didn't omit anything because it was never there in the first place. You never said 'if healthy', in fact the only time 'health' was ever said in that thread was by me. I said... Okposo is a fine player, I like him a lot, a waiver pick player though, also some scary health issues surrounding him, I wish him the best. All you said is what I quoted, offering a 'bet' in a no matter what scenario, which you would have lost badly. Also, Okposo played in 76 games last season to Rakell's 77 games. So...you know, that extra game he got wouldn't have contributed to the 25 point gap between them. If you mean his health issues contributed to lackluster play, well, yeah, I was the one who told you that. You were the one to draft him. You seemed unconcerned with it, confident he would outproduce Rakell and not be hindered by his injuries. No matter what, you were wrong. Improvements are just that, improvements, I never said 'drastic' in any way. Simply, progression. You said he was a flash in the pan, one-trick pony who would never get there again and yet he improved his game in every single way proving you were dead wrong about him. Doubling his assist total isn't drastically improved to you I guess? Progression is key. You saying his shooting percentage would drop wasn't news to anyone, everybody knew that, it wasn't something thought up by you. That was obvious, that was a knock you had on him regressing in production. I was the one to say all this meant was that he needed more opportunity, ice time, PP time and to take more shots and thus it would result in similar goal output and improved production, which is exactly what happened. In what world is Dipietro a top 10 goalie prospect? I could name AT LEAST 15 prospect goalies I would want before him. What is your definition of "prospect?" It's a bit of speculation for sure, he's a solid goalie prospect, and may not be what I personally believe but within the prospect world and gathered from consensus polling (you can surely find these lists yourself), under 25, under 20 games played, he's up there. Someone to be respected, and yeah...goalie of the year awards in key development leagues. You say it like it's bad to have won OHL Goalie of the Year. He's doing the right things, that list of goalies you bring up doesn't diminish the accomplishment. It's really a testament to how tough goaltending is. Also in what world is Comrie STILL not ahead of Dipietro in terms of development? Comrie has played games in the NHL and starts for his AHL team. Comrie is still dicking around in the OHL. Comrie sucks, he'll never be anything special, why are you swinging from his balls? Do you not know how development works or something? You do realize DiPietro just turned 19 years old right? Comrie is 4 years older than him, he should be ahead of him in terms of development but that still doesn't mean he's a superior talent...he isn't. Comrie suuuuucks. Comrie has never been a First All-Star, never been a Rookie All-Star, never won a Memorial Cup, never had the most shutouts in a year, was never Goalie of the Year and has no Most Outstanding Goaltender accolades to speak of like DiPietro does. Hellebyck had a great year. But he had to, it was a contract year because the organization was unsure of his ability, as I stated a year ago. He didn't buckle under the pressure and proved his worth. Whether it was this year, or next, or 5 years from now my statement still stands. Comrie is being devolped as the future goaltender of the Winnipeg Jets. How can you think this? Comrie is fucking shit. He won't even be a consistent backup goalie man. Hellebuyck just signed a massive 6 year deal dude, like, what the fuck are you saying? By the end of his contract Comrie will be 29 years old, it's over. Hellebuyck killed it like I said he would, you never believed in him, he won, he has always had the better pedigree to Comrie like I said last year in that same thread. He was young, still is and it takes time to adjust to the rigors of the NHL and especially to perform at such a high level, but he destroyed it and is now considered a 25-year old prodigy. You didn't state anything last year other than your lack of confidence in a goaltender who hadn't quite made it yet. You even claimed they'd let him walk or he'd go to a 'high bidder', not understanding how RFA works. They signed him to that 1-year contract either so he'd have RFA years left or he demanded it knowing he could show them what they wanted to see earlier and more likely than not it was a mutual decision based on each of these reasons, exactly what I said last year. Nobody is talking about the past 5 seasons. I was talking about the end of the 2017-2018 season and the outlook of the 2018-2019 season. You know, the only ones that matter. The roster of players on both teams is compltely different now than in any of the other years you cited. Claiming they are somehow relevant is absurd. The fact is Montreal finished 7-20 and Arizona finished 16-11. Montreal has done very little to improve on last year's team, if anything at all. Arizona has improved. At least on paper. I tend to take larger sample sizes to view potential lasting trends, not a couple of games at the end of a lost season for each of these bottom feeders. Coyotes suck, I've never seen them not suck, so why should I believe in them now? I need to see it to believe it. I dislike that team top to bottom, it's a mess, I don't see what you apparently see. Montreal is at least intriguing, they have a very young team and young teams take steps. Really though it all depends on if Carey Price can get back on his game or not. Hard sell on Raanta you say? I don't need to do any selling, the stats don't lie. RAANTA (47 GP) HAD THE BEST GAA (2.24) AND SV% (.930) OF EVERY STARTER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE LAST SEASON. Keep him then. Or be exposed as the posturer you are. He's the Arizona Coyotes goaltender. Enough said. As for my trade, I couldn't keep Miller after this season and I have a plethora of replacements to fill his shoes while Weber is out. There isn't a better "rental" player available for a playoff run for the price I paid. My Entry Pick will presumably be 10-12. It was a no-brainer for both sides and a gamble I was willing to take. You can't keep Weber after this season either. Weber for half a year or Miller for the full year? Comparable guys. Why? Give up a Top 12 pick as well to get the half a year guy? This must be a trade done by somebody who isn't confident in their drafting abilities. I got Mathew Barzal in that pick window. I got Vitali Kravtsov. I got Timothy Liljegren. I got Dougie Hamilton. Later than that window I got Carter Hart, Charlie McAvoy, Tristan Jarry, J.T. Miller. That was a true stunner of a trade to me but hey...that's just like, my opinion maaan.
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