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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 29, 2019 6:02:47 GMT -5
I’m not interested in lateral categories or teams rostering/streaming bad players in attempt to win “non-skilled” categories. Which categories are 'non-skilled'? PIM? Hits. FOW. Blocks. Etc. are "non-skilled" stats. I suppose you could clump PIM in there if you really wanted to. The difference is, there are far fewer scoring skaters who also get penalty minutes than there are skaters who score and hit, block, win face offs, etc. This limits the number of waiver fodder players that can be rostered. Additionally, when there is a scarcity of something (ie, scoring forwards who get PIMs, tier 1 starting goalies who play 55+ games) there is a natural demand for these players and whoever acquires these players is in a much favorable position because they have the best player or players available. It is a strategy. Mediocrity should not be celebrated. A 4th line scrub who has 0 points, but gets 50 hits should not be valued the same as someone who scores 10 goals and gets 0 hits in a week. But on any given week that could be the case, given the significant amount of players who hit, block, win faceoffs. Each category is universally one point regardless of what it is called. I intend to limit the impact "insignificant" categories have on our scoring in relation to the "significant" ones. FOW adds too much value to centers disproportionately to other forwards and would require us to drop to 2 instead of 3 spots on the roster How is it disproportionate? Other than Centers being worth less than all other positions disproportionately? Do you not see a need to improve the least valuable position in our league? Why would this require us to drop to 2 spots on the roster? The two issues have nothing to do with each other. The reason we have 3 spots is because there is an over abundance of available Centers otherwise their value is disproportionate to other forwards. Every single player on the top 100 Yahoo O-Rank would be a C. What about this are you not understanding? FOW is overwhelmingly a center statistic. That means ONLY centers can contribute to this category in any meaningful way. That means left wings and right wings are devalued because they contribute to one less category each week. Center is the most important position in the real life NHL, but the closest thing we have is to roster 3 instead of 2 like the other forward positions. ‘Hits’ is akin to ‘saves’ in that it promotes rostering bad players/waiver fodder and is a quantity over quality stat. How? PIM promotes rostering bad players/waiver fodder. Again, PIM bad, Hits good. Again, this is conjecture and opinion without substance. You haven't provided a single factual argument as to how this helps keep the league balanced. "Because it'll be more fun" is not good enough. But nobody is giving concrete examples for why any of these things would be better for the league. Pretty sure a bunch of good reasons and opinions have been given man, none of which were given by you. I continue to provide explanation after explanation of how the league categories work on a foundational level. Every single other thought that has been expressed has been subjective opinion, usually something along the lines of "because adding more categories would be more exciting." If you can't see the flaw in this line of thinking, this conversation isn't worth continuing. Yes. Faceoffs are a huge part of the game. So are saves, hits, and blocks. But this is fantasy hockey and those things (among others) do not directly translate into our game from the real NHL. Why? They're stat categories. Interesting ones. Fun ones. In your opinion. Again, FUN is not the same thing as practical or optimal. Some managers in NAFHL (myself included) have been building their teams for over a decade under the current stat categories. Adding or subtracting from those would negate all the work that has been done by these managers and would require an entire or substantial redraft of the league. Yeah, I've been building my team for this period of time as well. I can adjust just fine. It wouldn't negate a thing. All of the work you've put in would still be there. You'd just have more work to do. A redraft of any kind is not necessary and is a tactic you're using to threaten the league and its managers. Wrong. For the past 5 years you have steadily been going downhill, as I illustrated with a series of graphics in another thread. How you have built your team doesn't work with this set of rules/stat categories and upon finally realizing, you want to upend the league instead of rebuilding like everyone else. Your team and my team are nothing alike. The value of our players are distributed distinctively differently. Ironically enough, all the category changes you are arguing for would conveniently help you, while all the ones you want to add/get rid of would significantly hurt me and most of your other competition. Claiming a redraft wouldn't be necessary with significant category changes is absolutely asinine and foolish at best. There is absolutely no reason to be having this conversation. Nothing happened this past season where there was a problem with the stat categories. There haven't been any trends suggesting there needs to be a change. Zero. Zilch. In fact, the league has gotten progressively better every single year since 2014 in terms of parity and competitiveness. This is nothing more than self-serving and to stir the pot. If you want to play in a league that has terrible categories, there are plenty of them out there to choose from. Go join one. Ruining this one isn't the answer. |
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jul 29, 2019 10:56:32 GMT -5
Adding FOW and change PIMS to BLOCKS in my opinion does not change the parity or competitiveness of the league at all. Right now goalie values are a bit to high 2-3 players responsible for 4 categories. Centers should be boosted more because it’s the most important position in hockey. Most of us roster 5 C or C/W combo at the least. Plus your also discounting the highly versatile wingers that take draws on certain sides of the ice or when a C is kicked from the dot. There are also many penalty kill specialists who are wingers that take draws during PK.
Ties being broken by anything else but playoff stats is also bogus. I know it’s been the rules since the beginning of this league but come on regular season stats should mean nothing in the playoff rounds just like the NHL. Adding a 13th category will help to create a clear winner each week from category wins head to head that week.
Blocks would also boost Defenceman values for your 5th-6th D. Last season a couple teams only rostered 4 because actual point production runs out in a 12 team league.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jul 29, 2019 11:07:21 GMT -5
These little tweaks would bring goalie trade values back to being respectable, add value to C, add value to D and create less chance of tie breaker being needed in the playoffs.
Derrick you do make great points for the longevity of this league but in some statements it sounds like you just don’t want change because NOS does.
Every league evolves and the NHL game itself has dramatically changed in the last 15 years NAFHL has been operating. We should be open to adapting as well.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 29, 2019 12:57:16 GMT -5
Adding FOW and change PIMS to BLOCKS in my opinion does not change the parity or competitiveness of the league at all. Right now goalie values are a bit to high 2-3 players responsible for 4 categories. Centers should be boosted more because it’s the most important position in hockey. Most of us roster 5 C or C/W combo at the least. Plus your also discounting the highly versatile wingers that take draws on certain sides of the ice or when a C is kicked from the dot. There are also many penalty kill specialists who are wingers that take draws during PK. Ties being broken by anything else but playoff stats is also bogus. I know it’s been the rules since the beginning of this league but come on regular season stats should mean nothing in the playoff rounds just like the NHL. Adding a 13th category will help to create a clear winner each week from category wins head to head that week. Blocks would also boost Defenceman values for your 5th-6th D. Last season a couple teams only rostered 4 because actual point production runs out in a 12 team league. I did not fail to account for any of the things you mentioned, that is why I used terms such as "overwhelmingly" and "meaningful." Sure there are exceptions, but they are insignificant in comparison to the total number of faceoffs that would be taken and accumulated if FOW were a category. Additionally, fantasy hockey can not mirror real life hockey in every instance, so this should not be a crutch that is leaned on. You know what else is really important? Penalty killers and players with good CORSI and players that forecheck well and stay at home defensemen and on and on and on. Fantasy sports are slanted toward offensive categories, they always have been and they always will be because that is the formula that works. We can do our best to mirror the real life NHL but it simply is not realistic to expect it to be exact. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 29, 2019 13:07:13 GMT -5
Derrick you do make great points for the longevity of this league but in some statements it sounds like you just don’t want change because NOS does. Every league evolves and the NHL game itself has dramatically changed in the last 15 years NAFHL has been operating. We should be open to adapting as well. This is kind of a silly thing to say and is a gross misrepresentation of my arguments. Do you know why it sounds like I am opposing what Nos wants? Because he is the individual I am responding to making the counter claim. Who else am I supposed to refute? It doesn't matter who is making the claim, what I say in response will not change. You seem to want similar changes, and my position has not changed, nor will it change. Does that mean I am making this appeal to not change things just because YOU do want to change things? Again I will say this. Is 'evolution' good? In the right context, of course it is. The problem is, buzz words like "evolution" are becoming misused and overused. Evolution is a process that occurs when there is a necessity to overcome something. There is no necessity here. There was no controversy. There is nothing to suggest change needs to be made. Having an opinion on a particular matter or thinking something might be "fun" or "exciting" does not meet the prerequisites for "evolution." All that is, is changing something that isn't broken just for the sake of changing something. This way of thinking is eerily similar to how a lot of individuals manage their teams. Trade just for the sake of trading or being "active" when there isn't a need to be trading. This mentality is counterproductive to success and more often than not leads to a perpetual never-ending rebuild stuck in the middle or bottom of the pack. That is what I am trying to avoid for this league. Sometimes less is more. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jul 29, 2019 17:21:44 GMT -5
Dude...you should try not being mad when you reply bro, it's hard to even listen. It's just like, you're being completely dismissive of all opinions that aren't your own, literally all other opinions as nobody has really backed you in writing. That's not to say you aren't correct but hearing out the floor with an open mind is essential when governing a group of people. You've shown zero budge, like, nothing anybody has said means a thing. I've shown the ability to really hear you out and have even agreed with you on things I didn't agree about previously. There's gotta be some give and take or you end up alienating people. At the end of the day, despite what you say and assume about me, I'm just looking to iron out some problematic issues, discuss potential evolution, and I really do want what's best for the league and its competitiveness and fairness. Hits. FOW. Blocks. Etc. are "non-skilled" stats. I suppose you could clump PIM in there if you really wanted to. The difference is, there are far fewer scoring skaters who also get penalty minutes than there are skaters who score and hit, block, win face offs, etc. This limits the number of waiver fodder players that can be rostered. How are Hits, FOW & Blocks 'non-skilled' stats? Etc? Saves too? How do you define 'non-skilled'? As I see it all of those stats need great skill to accomplish. Theoretically anybody in the world could get PIM. PIM is the definition of a non-skilled stat. PIM is acquired when players go beyond the game to cheat during a play and are punished for doing so. Are you certain of your claim in that last bit? Can you show me some 'waiver fodder' players that could be rostered with success if these categories were in effect? Ones that could not be rostered otherwise? A 4th line scrub who has 0 points, but gets 50 hits should not be valued the same as someone who scores 10 goals and gets 0 hits in a week. But on any given week that could be the case, given the significant amount of players who hit, block, win faceoffs. I see your point, it's taken to an extreme though as nobody scores 10 goals in a week (unless your name is Patrik Laine) but I guess it all comes down to what you value. If a guy puts up 50 big hits in a week isn't that kind of awesome as well? Why shouldn't it be acknowledged and rewarded? What about this are you not understanding? FOW is overwhelmingly a center statistic. That means ONLY centers can contribute to this category in any meaningful way. That means left wings and right wings are devalued because they contribute to one less category each week. Center is the most important position in the real life NHL, but the closest thing we have is to roster 3 instead of 2 like the other forward positions. Absolutely it's a Center statistic, no argument, all positions (even D) can contribute to the stat though. It's not walled off. The idea is to improve the worth of Centers since they're worth the least. Rostering 3 Centers instead of 2, again, is only helpful with the over abundance of available Centers. It does nothing to improve their worth and even at 3 roster spots Center is still the most readily available position in the league. Do you not see a need to improve the least valuable position? Especially considering how critical the position is? Is rostering 3 Centers really enough to solve this problem? We have an 'F' slot for all forwards, another winger slot really, so in reality wingers only have a single missing slot if you count both winger positions separately. Or together you could argue that wingers have 5 roster slots to 3 for Centers. It's problematic. Again, this is conjecture and opinion without substance. You haven't provided a single factual argument as to how this helps keep the league balanced. "Because it'll be more fun" is not good enough. I mean...I feel like I've given ample reason for why PIM is bad and Hits are good. I explained PIM up top pretty well, Hits are killer, skilled, impressive. Why do you like PIM so much? It's become an antiquated statistic for fantasy. I don't understand why there's more perceived balance with PIM over Hits to you? I've seen zero tangible evidence of this. They're fairly similar in approach aside from the fact that PIM is an illegal action and Hits are a legal action. I continue to provide explanation after explanation of how the league categories work on a foundational level. Every single other thought that has been expressed has been subjective opinion, usually something along the lines of "because adding more categories would be more exciting." If you can't see the flaw in this line of thinking, this conversation isn't worth continuing. We could have done without this bit, this is what I'm talking about, you're not listening to other people or their opinions and are simply dismissing us outright. With no real good reasoning either from what I can gather anyway. I don't see how you've explained anything with undeniable facts with how the categories work on a foundational level. If you had explained it well I wouldn't have so many questions and doubts. That's just like...your opinion too maaaan.  I feel like Coal - Golden Knights & Tyler - Jets gave some pretty good insights to different ways of thinking and possibilities for the league even if it all can't be implemented, I appreciate their contributions. Adding FOW has been well detailed, Centers in need of improved value being the least valuable position in the league coupled with being the most available position in the league, a well deserved skilled statistic in need of being acknowledged, the statistic would give managers another way to think the game and strategize against their opponents. Blocks, added value given to good defensive play, added value to defensemen who don't just play like forwards, like one of my hockey coach's used to say 'For every goal you stop from going in is like scoring 2 goals because if it goes in you have to score 1 to get even and another to go ahead boys, stop those pucks.' and the statistic would give managers another way to think the game and strategize against their opponents. Hits, skill driven statistic that causes offensive and defensive plays to develop, a legal statistic vs. PIM and the statistic would give managers another way to think the game and strategize against their opponents. Saves, added to stop managers from the setting and forgetting mentality of 'strategizing' to then gain an unfair advantage in skater starts, to improve goaltending strategy, adds balance to the position by means of giving a 2 vs. 2 showdown between GAA/SV% and W/SV as going for one might mean losing another rather than handcuffing the position due to good early fortune, make the right choices throughout the week or blow it, the statistic would give managers another way to think the game and strategize against their opponents. In your opinion. Again, FUN is not the same thing as practical or optimal. Dude...you're just taking one small aspect of what I've said and are dismissing the rest without real thought. Wrong. For the past 5 years you have steadily been going downhill, as I illustrated with a series of graphics in another thread. Dude! Going downhill? Really? Really?!? Really? It's called being snake bitten. Nothing more. Look at my team broooo, it's nutty, way nuttier than your team, alright?  Those graphs were hilariously refuted immediately as worthless by the way. How you have built your team doesn't work with this set of rules/stat categories and upon finally realizing, you want to upend the league instead of rebuilding like everyone else. Whaaaaaat?!? It's stuff like this that really makes me question your intelligence. I was literally just in the Finals, again, this past season. It doesn't work? Rebuilding? Does my team look like it needs to be rebuilt?? Haha, oooooh boooy. Again, I'm just considering potential improvements man, that's it. Your team and my team are nothing alike. The value of our players are distributed distinctively differently. Ironically enough, all the category changes you are arguing for would conveniently help you, while all the ones you want to add/get rid of would significantly hurt me and most of your other competition. Claiming a redraft wouldn't be necessary with significant category changes is absolutely asinine and foolish at best. These last few sentences are what's really 'absolutely asinine and foolish'...at best. I mean, regardless, we'll see this upcoming season, right? I feel like my team is pretty stellar and easily the best suited to make another Finals appearance and ultimately win, regardless of categories. The difference between you and me is that you're scared and I'm not. I can work with whatever we have to work with and be successful. To even suggest a redraft, of any kind, with a 14 year league is pure stupidity. There is absolutely no reason to be having this conversation. Nothing happened this past season where there was a problem with the stat categories. There haven't been any trends suggesting there needs to be a change. Zero. Zilch. In fact, the league has gotten progressively better every single year since 2014 in terms of parity and competitiveness. This is nothing more than self-serving and to stir the pot. If you want to play in a league that has terrible categories, there are plenty of them out there to choose from. Go join one. Ruining this one isn't the answer. Sad. Why are you so mad at me brooooo? I blame myself for taking my 'character' to extreme levels at times and for not allowing you to see me in the right light enough. You should know who I am, my character, we've known each other a long time, honestly you're one of the people I've known the longest in life as far as friends, and its shocking to see you continually disparage me like I'm a truly hated enemy, even on a personal level. I know competition can get the better of us at times, it has me, but there has to be a way we can have conversations without resorting to hate and insults. This isn't how you get your point across at all and I'm tired of doing business this way. I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard... |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Sept 20, 2021 17:32:10 GMT -5
Quick question, are we aloud to draft players and immediately assign them to the IR? Furthermore, is it legal to recall a prospect from the farm and stash on the IR to free up space? Just curious, thanks!
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Sept 20, 2021 19:30:34 GMT -5
Quick question, are we aloud to draft players and immediately assign them to the IR? Furthermore, is it legal to recall a prospect from the farm and stash on the IR to free up space? Just curious, thanks! You must have an open roster spot to sign/draft the player before moving him to IR. You may not have a full roster and assign a "20th player" directly to IR. It is "legal" to recall a player from the farm and stash him on IR to free up a farm roster spot. However, as it stands right now, there isn't a written rule in the rule book explaining IR during the offseason. The rule I have been following is that the player must have finished the previous season on the IR (last known status) and/or still be listed as IR on the Yahoo database in order to be eligible to be placed on IR during the offseason. For example, Ben Bishop would count, Max Domi would not (even though he will be on LTIR once the season begins, he did not finish the previous season there and is not listed as IR on the Yahoo database. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Sept 20, 2021 19:54:48 GMT -5
Quick question, are we aloud to draft players and immediately assign them to the IR? Furthermore, is it legal to recall a prospect from the farm and stash on the IR to free up space? Just curious, thanks! You must have an open roster spot to sign/draft the player before moving him to IR. You may not have a full roster and assign a "20th player" directly to IR. It is "legal" to recall a player from the farm and stash him on IR to free up a farm roster spot. However, as it stands right now, there isn't a written rule in the rule book explaining IR during the offseason. The rule I have been following is that the player must have finished the previous season on the IR (last known status) and/or still be listed as IR on the Yahoo database in order to be eligible to be placed on IR during the offseason. For example, Ben Bishop would count, Max Domi would not (even though he will be on LTIR once the season begins, he did not finish the previous season there and is not listed as IR on the Yahoo database. Sweet, thanks for answering that Commish! |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Sept 20, 2021 20:12:51 GMT -5
You must have an open roster spot to sign/draft the player before moving him to IR. You may not have a full roster and assign a "20th player" directly to IR. It is "legal" to recall a player from the farm and stash him on IR to free up a farm roster spot. However, as it stands right now, there isn't a written rule in the rule book explaining IR during the offseason. The rule I have been following is that the player must have finished the previous season on the IR (last known status) and/or still be listed as IR on the Yahoo database in order to be eligible to be placed on IR during the offseason. For example, Ben Bishop would count, Max Domi would not (even though he will be on LTIR once the season begins, he did not finish the previous season there and is not listed as IR on the Yahoo database. Sweet, thanks for answering that Commish! You got it. I would like to note that there is some merit to the argument that nobody should be able to assigned to IR during the offseason since there technically isn't IR during the offseason. However, Yahoo registration has been open for weeks and in theory our teams could already be offline drafted and uploaded. In that case, the players who already have IR designation would be able to be placed on IR (even though it is the offseason) so I don't see why that should change just because we are primarily conducting business on the forum right now. |
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Jul 11, 2022 23:37:58 GMT -5
Hey there, I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. There were some rules discussions during the season that I'd like to officially bring up and some of my own that I thought could advance the league... GM meetings if you will. The first one was brought up by NOS that I think is a good idea, so fist bump to NOS. Changing one of the IR spots to an IR+. I find it happens often that players get hurt for a week or weeks at a time that don't go to IR, essentially fantasy purgatory. 1 IR+ spot and increases the importance of having young players you can call up and makes strategic call up decisions more impactful. Like bringing in a rookie that has a good weekend and wins the week for a team would be great theatre. I don't think both should be IR+ I like the idea of one long term IR and one short term. Second is a small one. Considering the NHL expanded with 2 more NHL teams I was thinking increasing the amount of prospects on the farm team from 19 to 20. My reasoning is with the addition of 2 more teams that's an influx of 12 top 6 forwards, 8 top 4 defensemen, 2 starting goalies and backups plus 2 new pools of prospects and minor leaguers to draw from. With 12 teams in NAFHL that's 6 players from each expansion team. Obviously the additional players won't all come from the expansion teams, I get that, but the numbers support an increase in keep-able prospects/players. And it eases the urge I have to round up 19 to an even 20 lol. Third is a bigger one, that I feeling strongly about. I like to propose dropping PIMs as a category and adding Hits in its place. PIMs is an outdated category that was only 'good' when fighting was really prevalent. That aside, I personally don't think a fantasy team should benefit from on ice action that is considered a detriment to a team in the actual game. If it's not providing value on the ice I don't think it should be valuable to fantasy. To even further , PIMs generally are completely out of the players control (aside from the odd fight which are waaaay down, or after the whistle scrum). It's up to the refs to make the calls. It also has almost no strategic impact on fantasy, because it's so unpredictable. A 10 min misconduct usually seals a week up for pims, I simply don't like it. And a number of matchups came down the PIMS being tight this year. There's a reason Yahoo standard leagues have dropped PIMs in place of hits, there's no strategy involved and I'd rather lose hits than win PIMs any day. Mainly, the fact PIMS are out of the players hands whether or not they get called, and it's a negative event in the actual game itself are the reasons I don't think they should play a role in fantasy. I get some players will have an increase in their value and some a decrease based on who hits and who doesn't, however it's one category replacing another so the scoring stays the same and point getting players still hold the most value. The transition to hits wouldn't be all that different that PIMS anyway because a lot (not all, I know) of the big PIM getters also play a physical game and hit more than average. But with hits it's a more predictable category which adds more strategy to team building and any player can do it IF they choose too! I've also read this thread and came across Derrick's view on 'non skill categories'. While I agree about some you pointed out Derrick, I disagree about hits not being a skill. Hitting effectively is definitely a skill. PIMs is the ultimate 'non skill category' lol. Hits requires players to be in good positions and have good timing to hit effectively while not taking them out of position. The hittees can dodge them and do so all the time adding to the skill of hitting. Also, hitting and physical play positively impacts the game, bringing energy on the ice and the bench. That's something that is loved by players and coaches on NHL teams and something I think should be rewarded in fantasy. Not when the zebra decides to put his hand up because he thought he saw a high stick . |
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jul 13, 2022 17:41:27 GMT -5
I would be on board for a change like this. I am also going to take the opportunity to advocate for FOW being added as well for the 10th year in a row lol!!! I like this idea of GM meetings. I have expressed my opinion on categories throughout this thread and still very stuck on the idea we need a 13th Category. My vote will stand FOW but definitely open to talking this through.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 16, 2022 23:58:35 GMT -5
Hey there, I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. There were some rules discussions during the season that I'd like to officially bring up and some of my own that I thought could advance the league... GM meetings if you will. The first one was brought up by NOS that I think is a good idea, so fist bump to NOS. Changing one of the IR spots to an IR+. I find it happens often that players get hurt for a week or weeks at a time that don't go to IR, essentially fantasy purgatory. 1 IR+ spot and increases the importance of having young players you can call up and makes strategic call up decisions more impactful. Like bringing in a rookie that has a good weekend and wins the week for a team would be great theatre. I don't think both should be IR+ I like the idea of one long term IR and one short term. The idea of an IR+ spot is good in a perfect world where it is only used for those players in fantasy purgatory, it only becomes a problem when said "strategic" decision becomes streaming players. Given the past couple seasons, this should be a reasonable request to accommodate assuming enough people are on board. The reason we have 19 players on the farm roster is because we have 19 players on our main rosters. Think of it as your NHL team and your AHL team. So in that regard, it is uniform and should scratch any OCD itch you have. I don't think we need to mess with that balance. While you do bring up some good points I agree with, I think we should be looking to replace the fodder/minor leaguers on existing farm teams with those new players you mentioned, rather than opening up more spots to promote hoarding additional players that would otherwise be eligible to be drafted in the Waiver Draft or picked up from free agents as an injury replacement. This is also something I feel strongly about and my thoughts haven't changed. Your analysis of the category is not wrong. But that isn't the issue. The issue is how it affects the league. ANY change that affects how we score our league would necessitate a re-drafting of players on a larger scale than our annual Waiver Draft and would largely invalidate the majority of the 16 years some of us have been building our teams under the current scoring categories. It isn't as simple as "just draft a couple guys who hit or who are good at faceoffs," it fundamentally changes the makeup of the league and unnecessarily punishes GM's while unjustly rewarding others by happenstance rule change and not skilled team building. With that said, I can't see taking away or replacing any category without a large scale redraft, adding a category makes more sense to me and seems much more likely. But even that also comes with it's own pitfalls. |
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Jul 20, 2022 21:35:03 GMT -5
The idea of an IR+ spot is good in a perfect world where it is only used for those players in fantasy purgatory, it only becomes a problem when said "strategic" decision becomes streaming players. Given the past couple seasons, this should be a reasonable request to accommodate assuming enough people are on board. I agree about streaming when it comes to signing free agents. Maybe if there was a min number of days a free agent has to be on your team before he can be dropped except injury? But for prospects, I don't mind that if you have the means then streaming prospects to fill an open roster spot is fine with me. Also, the schedule plays a big role in this and I don't think it would happen as much as you think because Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays are usually full days of games. So Fridays and Sundays would be the prime days and that's even if you had players with schedules playing those days. I could get behind a min number of days for a free agent. Ahh, I didn't know it correlated with the rosters spots on Yahoo. That makes sense. No problem there. So I understand a change in scoring changes the league and how you'd draft and build your team. However, I think the notion of a re-draft is a little extreme. Sports leagues change their rules all the time and the GM's have to adjust based on the players they have. For example when the NHL starting cracking down on clutching and grabbing, making the bigger, slower players less relevant, I don't think the GMs of the teams that had a lot of those players demanded a re-draft... and even if they did no commissioner would grant it. Leagues change. For the record, I'm not on board for the FOW category for the reasons you stated in the previous thread. For me, simply because not everyone has an opportunity to take a faceoff I don't like the category. Also I'm not trying to boost my team or bring other teams down with the suggestion of replacing PIMS with Hits, even if I had no players that hit I'd still suggest the change because I think it makes the league better. I have played in leagues with PIMs until 2018ish and replacing them with hits made strategy so much better. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jul 22, 2022 1:59:00 GMT -5
So come Waiver Draft time, say Kadri is still a UFA, is he not eligible to be drafted (e.g. Rask last season)?
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 22, 2022 15:11:44 GMT -5
So come Waiver Draft time, say Kadri is still a UFA, is he not eligible to be drafted (e.g. Rask last season)? I don't want to speak for everyone, but I am inclined to say that Kadri is available to draft regardless of whether he is an UFA or not. Barring an unexpected retirement, Kadri WILL sign somewhere. Rask was a UFA midseason with a lot of uncertainty surrounding him. I don't think the circumstances surrounding the players are comparable, even if they both are/were/would be technically in violation of a league rule. This is another example of where the "spirit" of the rule is relevant. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jul 22, 2022 16:44:19 GMT -5
So come Waiver Draft time, say Kadri is still a UFA, is he not eligible to be drafted (e.g. Rask last season)? I don't want to speak for everyone, but I am inclined to say that Kadri is available to draft regardless of whether he is an UFA or not. Barring an unexpected retirement, Kadri WILL sign somewhere. Rask was a UFA midseason with a lot of uncertainty surrounding him. I don't think the circumstances surrounding the players are comparable, even if they both are/were/would be technically in violation of a league rule. This is another example of where the "spirit" of the rule is relevant. I've always never been a fan of "quotations" rules, but I totally see where you're coming from. It may just be time to start thinking about abolishing that rule so it's black and white. On another note, I would be in for adding some new categories but only if the ratio of Skater cats to Goalie cats stays the same. |
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Jun 8, 2024 10:39:09 GMT -5
Hey fellow GM's!
Wow, the Stanley cup is starting tonight!...finally. This is such a good match up, I'm so pumped to see how these teams battle each other. We need some series predictions, let me know in your responses. I'll go first. Despite my want of the Oil to drown those kittens, I think the cats get the high ground watch the oil dry up. Cats in 6, rare losing team MVP, McDavid
I'm sure we will get to Keepers this or next week? So I think we should go over some rules that were discussed during the season before we do Keepers.
1. Suspended Waivers
I'm in the camp of if one of your players on the farm plays his 201st game, then he's eligible to be picked up. I think it just makes it clean and easy. Plus what's more punishment then letting a player walk only to have rival GM pick them up and possibly burn them in a later match up lol.
2. Transaction Time/Farm Eligibility
I think some of these debates of when players can/should be called up can be solved by having same day transactions. Much like GM's in the NHL who deal with the unpredictable nature of player injuries/lineup changes, they can make adjustments the day of to be competitive. I don't see why we can't be the same. The change helps other aspects too. It makes debates like games played very cut and dry, no need to debate when a player has to be called up because of a yahoo transaction period. It will also help teams make the mandatory 3 goalie starts. We've had some situations where goalies are either hurt, scratched before game time resulting in teams not making 3 goalie starts. Or having to predict when a back up will play when coaches usually keep who's starting to the day before? Seems avoidable. I also feel like, if I drop a player on Monday at 5pm, he should be playing in my lineup on Monday night. This eliminates being able to do early transactions to gain an extra game played.
3. Scoring Category: PIMs
I know, here I go again lol. But this year was wild for PIMs. The Refs control who gets them, sometimes justified, sometimes not. But this year I can't remember the amount of players tossed from games, given 10 min misconducts just to diffuse games. That game with FLA and NYR, first puck drop, 8 players got tossed lol. Anyone with those players won PIMS that week. I think PIMs has run its course in fantasy hockey. That's why Yahoo standard eliminated PIMs. Just thinking about the spirit of fantasy, points are scored by events in the game that help teams win games, PIMs hurt teams, so I never understood why they were a positive thing for fantasy even before I got to this league. I participate in a sameday transaction fantasy hockey league and it works out great. I think replacing that with hits like yahoo did, makes a lot of sense. And really, the majority of high PIM players are more physical and choose to hit more frequently. I think it adds an extra layer to building teams and drafting players that PIMs doesn't do. I know Derrick you have to approve the change and you didn't seem apt to want to last time, but change can be a good thing. The NHL changes rules every year to make the product better, I think we can do the same! So we can continue to say this the best fantasy league in the world! lol
Anyway, Happy Stanley Cup everyone! Can't wait for the drafts
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jun 24, 2024 15:55:31 GMT -5
Great post Colin, sorry it took so long to get a reply in, I'll just start off by saying I'm open to discussing some rule changes during the offseason.
What a thrilling series this has been, an absolute treat to watch! Even when the Oilers were down 3-0 I was hoping there'd be a Game 7 and we've got a historic one tonight! I could honestly go either way with who hoists the Stanley Cup tonight, on one side I'd love to see my old dawg Bobrovsky win it, he's had a phenomenal run despite his recent struggles and I can't stand Skinner. 😂 McDavid has been spoiling us with what still could potentially be the single-most greatest Stanley Cup Playoffs performance of all-time! 5 points away from a record none of us could fathom to be broken is remarkable. So it would be awesome to see him hoist the Cup tonight too.
Hopefully it goes to overtime!!!
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I feel like Coal - Golden Knights & Tyler - Jets gave some pretty good insights to different ways of thinking and possibilities for the league even if it all can't be implemented, I appreciate their contributions.
Those graphs were hilariously refuted immediately as worthless by the way.
So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.