A look back -- Who won these trades?

[Hawks]

So this is a post where everyone bitches about trades and tries to prove that their team is the best..... Constructive.... My team is definitely better... I was the winner of the loser bracket.... so Ha

[Mark - Bruins]

hockeystar3712 said:

So this is a post where everyone bitches about trades and tries to prove that their team is the best..... Constructive.... My team is definitely better... I was the winner of the loser bracket.... so Ha

Destructive... Havlat's injury woes

[Nos - Sharks]

Uh, your players still didn't show to the games that mattered. Be it injured or otherwise. Seriously, what's not to get? You also tend to play with older players, or players with an injury history. If that's the case it's your own fault for dropping the ball at the end. While all injuries can't be avoided some can. When it comes right down to it, your team wasn't up to the challenge.

Michalek isn't just "some guy" I could use to "stream players". He'd be an integral part of my squad, seeing as he'd help me in every area. In the last 13 games he had 8 goals and 12 assists, surely that's no waiver wire pick up bum. I never once "streamed players", in fact, you had more than double the moves I had. It's true that every week is played differently against different opponents, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not is irrelevant.

Talk about being sore.

[Chris - Capitals]

Nos has hosed some teams.....myself included I dont look at the Luongo trade and quite a hosing as it was I just didnt win the deal its just a slight win for him if you ask me I was trying to make the playoffs.....

The Budaj trade was a hosing but I needed a goalie and you were the only one willing to move one so i made the move

[Andrew]

This is getting pretty off-topic. It's gone from "Nos makes questionable deals to naive managers" to "Nos is an ass hat because of this, this, and this...".

Derrick, Nos won the playoffs, and if he wants to claim he has the best team, you'll have to accept that. If the Anaheim Ducks, Indy Colts, STL Cardinals, etc. want to claim they are the best teams in their respective leagues, that's their prerogative. I don't know if any of those teams are the best, but until another team beats them in the playoff system you'll have to let it be. It's not like you did all you could do anyway Derrick, I recall someone sending down a certain Calder trophy winner to save a keeper slot.

Back to the topic at hand, sure Nos has struck some pretty sweet deals, but where do we draw the line between working to land ourselves a good trade, and convincing teams to accept unethical trades (this isn't a rhetorical question)? We didn't see how the negotiations went, so we'd have to take the word of the teams involved. Every team does what they can to get the better end. I know I have to bust my ass with just about anyone to get a reasonable deal worked out or even close to it. The teams that are near the top have put a ton of effort into getting their teams there and I'm not sure what can be accomplished by creating a thread like this since Nos, technically, has done nothing wrong.

[Derrick - Senators]

nossharks said:

You also tend to play with older players, or players with an injury history. If that's the case it's your own fault for dropping the ball at the end. While all injuries can't be avoided some can. When it comes right down to it, your team wasn't up to the challenge.

"Old" injury prone guys like Kopitar? Ovechkin? Thornton? St. Louis? Elias? Lidstrom? Theodore? Zidlicky? Brodeur? Legace? Holmstrom? Avery? Marcel Hossa? Who? The fact of the matter is, I had an unlucky stretch to say the least; a freak occurrence. While on the other hand, you didn't. Plain and simple, nothing more nothing less.

Wait, let me break it down for you:

Datsyuk has missed 47 games in 5 years.
Thornton has missed 38 games in 9 years.
St. Louis has missed 2 games in 4 years.
Lidstrom has missed 16 games in 10 years and 57 over the course of his entire career. (39 in one season)
Brodeur has played 70+ games for 10 years
Elias has missed 40 games in 9 years (excluding his hepatitis bout)
Ovechkin has missed 1 game in 2 years.
Zidlicky has missed 18 games in 3 years.

Need I go on?

Man now that you point it out...what ever in the world am I going to do with such an injury prone team??? I fail to see the correlation.

it is now very clear that everything that comes from your mouth is random, non-factual, asinine garbage. First, you claim Samsonov to be "over-the-hill, and on the verge of retirement" yet Samsonov is only 28. Most recently you claim my team is injury-prone, yet the only guy who has had any substantial season ending injury is Elias (hepatitis) and that was only ONE season....hardly an injury risk (stats provided above).

I'm going to try and reason with you here. Just stop. The lack of hard "evidence" and ignorant statements on your part are becoming too overwhelming.

[Derrick - Senators]

andrew1125 said:

This is getting pretty off-topic. It's gone from "Nos makes questionable deals to naive managers" to "Nos is an ass hat because of this, this, and this...".

Derrick, Nos won the playoffs, and if he wants to claim he has the best team, you'll have to accept that. If the Anaheim Ducks, Indy Colts, STL Cardinals, etc. want to claim they are the best teams in their respective leagues, that's their prerogative. I don't know if any of those teams are the best, but until another team beats them in the playoff system you'll have to let it be.

The real life playoffs are in NO WAY a similar comparison to the fantasy playoffs. In the NHL, or any other sport for that matter, a team plays a number of different opponents usually played out in a series format (Best of 5 or 7) not 2 weeks best of.....one. ANYTHING could happen in 2 weeks, as it did last season. Did Nose win the playoffs? Sure. I dont have any problem with that statement. However to say he has/had the best team is downright ludicrous based on the stats and information I have already provided. If those aren't enough for you to understand, I can dig deeper. I dont even see the debate here really.

It's not like you did all you could do anyway Derrick, I recall someone sending down a certain Calder trophy winner to save a keeper slot.

I hate to inform you of this, but you seem to remember wrong. Below is a link I think you need to look over closely....

nafhl2.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=generaldiscussion&action=display&thread=1179806371&page=2

As you can see, last post, 4th player listed.....Alexander Ovechkin. So dont tell me what I did and didn't do? Mmk?

[Hawks]

I'm with Andrew...It's obvious that Nos benefited from all of the above trades....but, seriously, if you don't think you're getting the better end of the deal....then why in the **** would you approve the trade? In each of these deals...Nos got what he wanted and the other GM's got what they wanted....end of story. And for those of you that feel that he has "taken advantage" why dont you start a veto or at least a thread at the time of the trade. It's absolutely pointless to wait 2 months and decide...hmmm this waiver draft sure is boring....I'm gonna start a "Nos is an unethical asshole" thread. No point what so ever. And Derreck, I hate to say it bro, but you go on and on about how Nos is pompous and bragging that he has the best team...however, your last 3 posts here have been nothing but saying how yours is so much better than his and yours is the best cuz u won the regular season....a bit hypocritical maybe? I just think this whole thread is a huge pile of shit...and a waste of everyone's time... If you guys wanna have a pissing contest, sword fight, measure cocks, wutever you wanna do, I think that should be done on your own time in a private conversation. Don't waste mine and everyone else's time with it. Now on that note...I have the best team...you all are pieces of shit ;D

I ditched Marian Hossa and got Marcell Hossa... get off me bitches.

and PS. if you guys do measure cocks.... I got $20 on Robyn

[Derrick - Senators]

hockeystar3712 said:

And Derreck, I hate to say it bro, but you go on and on about how Nos is pompous and bragging that he has the best team...however, your last 3 posts here have been nothing but saying how yours is so much better than his and yours is the best cuz u won the regular season....a bit hypocritical maybe?

Seriously, I urge you all to read,

Now, generally this is against my "code of ethics" because my "credentials" dont matter so much to me, BUT maybe this thread is what you need to bring you back down to earth. A reality check of sorts.

The difference between Nose and myself is that I dont care what you, you, or you think about my team. I don't care about your opinion on my moves, draft selections, and I don't care your opinion on my (fair) trades or anything else that I do with my team. Nose, however, exploits every move he makes, talks up every player he acquires as if they suddenly become a 100 point player just because they are on his team. Praises every signing, and every cheap trade he makes burning up the IM's wanting to know opinions and seeking for people to pat him on the back. I could care less. I'm going to do what I do. The point of this thread is not to "brag" but to bring an obvious unwarranted arrogance back down to earth a little bit, and expose some of the mockery of how it was acheived.
if you cant beat em otherwise, join em right?

[Phil - Blue Jackets]

A lot to sift through here.

I have seen the phrases "they both got what they wanted" and "I went after player X and he came up with the deal" as if either of these things being true means shit around here. There was another sighting of the great "<,>" chart for player valuing on the first page. Nos thinking that the reason for this thread is because he's "on top." Comical all of it. Nos hasn't done anything unethical (that I can prove anyway). There is nothing wrong with ripping people off. Not once have I said or heard someone else say "hold on dude I wanna make sure this deal is fair for you." That's not anyone's job except for the other trading party. For actual documented unethical behavior, look around the forum. You'll find it.

With that said, Nos is one of those idiots that likes to say shit like "I guess your guys didn't show up when it matters." I just threw up in my mouth. Playoffs are often decided on luck both of the real and fantasy persuasions. But that is how the "champion" is decided, not necessarily the best team. Its even worse in fantasy sports, however. Sure, a manager can sit a goalie or position player here and there. There is minimal strategy involved. But, for the most part, you plug your players in and they do whatever they do. You have zero control over that. Derrick or anybody else that lost in the playoffs didn't go get a bunch of "non-clutch" bums for their rosters. Shit happens. Players get injured, go cold, etc. These things do not indicate how good a manager or player is. They are just occurences, random variations. The quality of a player or team is derived over a large sample size. Hence the regular season is a far better judge of which teams are better than others. How many weeks did you get beat in the regular season Nos? Are all those teams better than you because they beat you in that one week? Of course not. Your guys pulled it together for the playoffs though. I guess your guys are "clutch." I guess Derrick, me, Pitts, Toronto, and Calgary didn't have that perfect "win one for the Gipper" speech to empart to our players before they took the ice.

This is all very reminiscent of the shit I heard when calling out Winnepeg. Derrick's bitter or sore about losing blah blah fucking blah. I like this thread and all threads like this. I like reading other arguments and opinions and then rebutting them.

Oh yeah one last thing, I have expressed the desire to get rid of Calgary.

[Andrew]

admin said:

Nose, however, exploits every move he makes, talks up every player he acquires as if they suddenly become a 100 point player just because they are on his team. Praises every signing, and every cheap trade he makes burning up the IM's wanting to know opinions and seeking for people to pat him on the back.

Well, I've had my share of disagreements with Nos, but personally haven't experienced this mentallity from him.

admin said:

nafhl2.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=generaldiscussion&action=display&thread=1179806371&page=2

As you can see, last post, 4th player listed.....Alexander Ovechkin. So dont tell me what I did and didn't do? Mmk?

I'm confused now... I was almost positive you did something to that effect.

Although... nafhl2.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=ottawa&action=display&thread=1154893210&page=2 (posts 9 and 10 have you sending Kopitar and Ovechkin to the minors, early-mid March)

Again, fantasy playoffs involve a lot more luck and many more factors than a real playoff system, I agree. Still, it is the deciding factor in who is "the best" (league champion) so by that technicality, Nos is "the best" regardless of how much ass is kicked by other teams in the regular season.

[Nos - Sharks]

andrew1125 said:

Well, I've had my share of disagreements with Nos, but personally haven't experienced this mentallity from him.

That's because I don't have that mentality at all. Derrick likes to make things up or exaggerate to get his point across when he's basically getting schooled in every facet of this argument. Basically these managers are dragging my name through the mud in an attempt to halt trade negotiations with anybody in the league. That's what it all comes down to. Especially hurtful when I considered Derrick and Phil good buddies, but I digress.

[patriot0103]

andrew1125 said:

admin said:

Again, fantasy playoffs involve a lot more luck and many more factors than a real playoff system, I agree. Still, it is the deciding factor in who is "the best" (league champion) so by that technicality, Nos is "the best" regardless of how much ass is kicked by other teams in the regular season.

Agreed.

This whole thread is pretty ridiculous. Like I said already, if people are getting ripped off that often, perhaps it's the ones that keep getting ripped off that shouldn't be around...because as long as everyone is capable of assessing what's right for their team, I don't see how these problems can come up.

...and if I see "I could care less" instead of " I couldn't care less" one more time, I might cry.

[Mark - Bruins]

patriot0103 said:

andrew1125 said:

admin said:

Again, fantasy playoffs involve a lot more luck and many more factors than a real playoff system, I agree. Still, it is the deciding factor in who is "the best" (league champion) so by that technicality, Nos is "the best" regardless of how much ass is kicked by other teams in the regular season.

Agreed.

This whole thread is pretty ridiculous. Like I said already, if people are getting ripped off that often, perhaps it's the ones that keep getting ripped off that shouldn't be around...because as long as everyone is capable of assessing what's right for their team, I don't see how these problems can come up.

...and if I see "I could care less" instead of " I couldn't care less" one more time, I might cry.

I could care less if you start crying.

[Robyn - Flames]

turcopolis said:

Oh yeah one last thing, I have expressed the desire to get rid of Calgary.

I am quite the detriment to this league. The whole point of this thread was to stop these lopsided trades from happening in the future, and perhaps give the other managers in this league a legitimate chance to win before San Jose acquires the top 19 players in the league.

Now I'll admit this has turned into a massive bitch-fest, not exactly what I had in mind, but certainly expected a backlash from a few.

I can count 5+ lopsided trades (Luongo, Crosby, Hejduk, Smyth, Prospect Draft). You guys seriously can't believe that these types of trades can continue happening without effecting the competitive balance within the league do you?!?