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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Jan 16, 2007 1:04:43 GMT -5
Columbus receives:
Roberto Luongo
2007 1st round waiver pick
Winnepeg receives:
Ed Belfour
Illya Bryzgalov
Jarret Stoll
2007 2nd round prospect picks (San Jose and Atlanta)
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 16, 2007 1:06:29 GMT -5
Agreed too!
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Jan 16, 2007 12:51:13 GMT -5
Luongo  1st rd waiver for Ed Belfour (41 year old, soon to be retired) Stoll Bryzgalov (backup who may be benched if Ducks resign Jiggy)  |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 16, 2007 18:54:31 GMT -5
Yeah, no doubt. I call for a veto on this one, and I never call for them. Not even on that ridiculous Kovalchuk trade, but this is different.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 16, 2007 22:44:18 GMT -5
I'd like to hear the Jets' take on this one. I have to say, so far I agree with the rest.
The pick exchange puts this trade even further over the top as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Jan 17, 2007 2:17:29 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. Here we have yet another "I don't like the way this guy is managing his team" veto discussion. For my views on vetos, just go click. nafhl2.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=tradetalk&action=display&thread=1156891688nafhl2.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=generaldiscussion&action=display&thread=1156106422With that said, these are the players HE targeted. The trade negotiations started and proceeded normally with me listing players that were available and those that I am interested in and him doing the same. He obviously wants to lock up the Anaheim situation and is a Stoll fan. That is all fine. Simply put, he likes the deal. He is all about it, exclamation point and all. He can come on here and justify himself if he wants to. My "justification" stops now. I refuse to accept that other trades that are, in the majority's opinion, lopsided go through and this gets vetoed. Briere for 1st prospect? Thornton for Semin, Eaves, and Sanford? The Cammelleri deal with who I believe was Sakic? Puhlease. But, in each case, I support the managers right to do with his team what he will. Finally, New Rule: You can't bitch or whine about how you would have given more for someone after the deal is made. Unhappy that you didn't get someone? Had a deal in the works but somone beat you to it? Call 1-800-Boo-Hooo. Be more proactive about it next time instead of sitting on your can. Ya know what these ramblings are good for? That fit neatly in your box of coulda-shoulda-wouldas. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 17, 2007 15:28:22 GMT -5
It's not a case of "oh damn, Phil's getting himself quite the deal, I'm jealous" so try not to make it out to be that way. The cause of the uproar has more to do with skepticism surrounding Chris's motives. He is trading one of the best goaltenders in the NHL and is getting scraps in return. Stoll is an average center short term or long term, Bryzgalov will play nothing more than back-to-backs from this point on, and Belfour plain sucks. Of course this is all subjective, but from the response I'm guessing this is how most of the league sees it. I'd just like to hear from Chris on this one before anyone puts it up to a vote.
For the record, the Sakic trade was for Mcdonald and that trade has worked out pretty evenly considering the youth upside of AndyMac. Cammalleri trade was for Khabibulin and prospect picks. I haven't seen a trade yet that can compare to this one unless I'm not reading into this right.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 17, 2007 16:27:23 GMT -5
First off i dont understand why everytime I make a move that you wouldnt have made I have to Justitify it to the rest of the league but here we go.....
My goalies are hurt there is talk that neither of them will be back till sometime after the allstar break....i dont wanna slip out of the hunt. I needed a change in my roster Im loosing alot of weeks by just a point here and there and i wanted to fix that....
I dont understand where im loosing the best goalie in the league for garbage....Luongo is right around .500 thats not greatest goalie in the league if you ask me thats pretty marginal. I got Belfour because Florida has been on a bit of a tear and im hoping they keep it up with him in net. the end of the year he doesnt get a keeper spot like Luongo would so I pick up an extra keeper.....Bryz will be the starter till Giggy gets back....after that he could either be traded to another team at the deadline or he could stay if giggy decides to walk. Stoll was a 70 pt guy last year and im in need of more Offence.....being that week end and week out im loosing the G and A categories by just a few here and there and alot of times im just 1 or 2 points out of winning for that week. NOT GONNA GET THOSE POINTS FROM A GOALIE.
But whatever since the Thorton trade every move ive made has been under a microscope.....funny how everyone called me an idiot before the season started but yet now I think all of maybe 2 or 3 teams have offered up crap to me for Semin hmm....could it be I have another feeling like that for Stoll....hey guess what its my team you guys constantly asking for veto's are really starting to make this league not fun. If I hadnt gotten to know Derrick before the season started and have alot of respect for him doing this for us Id walk.....but I do respect the fact that hes doing this for us in his FREE TIME.....and im sticking around but im really up in the air as to if im coming back for another season if everytime I make a trade that you wouldnt have made im called an idiot about hockey and told i know nothing and im getting Crap
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 17, 2007 16:31:43 GMT -5
OK so i was wrong about him being 500 but I still dont consider him the best goalie in the league
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Jan 17, 2007 16:47:43 GMT -5
It's not a case of "oh damn, Phil's getting himself quite the deal, I'm jealous" Who said that was the case? |
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Post by Hawks on Jan 17, 2007 16:51:09 GMT -5
This is pretty rediculous... Everytime I see a trade pop up on here, all that follows is people stating how they think it's not a fair trade. Different people have their favorites and opinions. Trust me it'll be obvious if there is a manager thats trying to stack another team, but please, dont bitch about everyone's moves. I personally wouldnt have made this trade, but if Chris wants to, then more power to him. He's the manager, he knows what he wants to do with his squad and he should be allowed to do so. And as for the comment on the Thornton for Semin Eaves and Sanford... Look at Semin..that's all I'm gonna say on that one.
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Jan 17, 2007 17:39:01 GMT -5
This is pretty rediculous... Everytime I see a trade pop up on here, all that follows is people stating how they think it's not a fair trade. Different people have their favorites and opinions. Trust me it'll be obvious if there is a manager thats trying to stack another team, but please, dont bitch about everyone's moves. I personally wouldnt have made this trade, but if Chris wants to, then more power to him. He's the manager, he knows what he wants to do with his squad and he should be allowed to do so. And as for the comment on the Thornton for Semin Eaves and Sanford... Look at Semin..that's all I'm gonna say on that one. Thanks for the support, Brad. I trust I can count on your vote when the veto comes up. |
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Post by Ryan on Jan 17, 2007 20:15:10 GMT -5
I say let it go through the trade should be based around what he thinks is best for his team........Luongo is a great goalie dont get me wrong but by times he is not so great this year.........Fantasy Sports is all about taking some risks and by acquiring(SP) Bryzzy then he is doing just as Giggy could come in from injury and take back #1 if he does then Bryz will be bumped to a backup or traded to another team......a lot of teams are in need of a netminder....... If Giggy doesnt perform then Bryzgalov has been none to take of the #1 spot in anaheim..........so I say let it go through he may look like a genious at the end of the year
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Post by canucksgm on Jan 17, 2007 20:41:55 GMT -5
if u wanted to downgrade your goalie situation and get two bums y didnt u come to me? I have 4
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 17, 2007 21:10:21 GMT -5
I say let it go through the trade should be based around what he thinks is best for his team........Luongo is a great goalie dont get me wrong but by times he is not so great this year.........Fantasy Sports is all about taking some risks and by acquiring(SP) Bryzzy then he is doing just as Giggy could come in from injury and take back #1 if he does then Bryz will be bumped to a backup or traded to another team......a lot of teams are in need of a netminder....... If Giggy doesnt perform then Bryzgalov has been none to take of the #1 spot in anaheim..........so I say let it go through he may look like a genious at the end of the year thanks someone sees it my way....excuse me if I take a chance everyonce in awhile I weighed the risks and thought this was best for my team screw you guys if you dont think its the best i mean at the end of the day it is my team. Or if you guys want i can drop out now and have you guys all take over my team and vote on the decisions for this team |
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Post by Hawks on Jan 17, 2007 21:16:20 GMT -5
Why dont u guys just assign every player a point value...and if the points aren't perfectly = at the end of a trade....VETO it. That's pretty much what you're doing. Like Ryan said, Fantasy sports is about taking risks in hopes that you will better your team, and not always in the immediate future. This is a keeper league, it could help him out in the long run too.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 17, 2007 21:46:32 GMT -5
This doesn't help him in the long run any way you slice it. Belfour is done, Bryz is a backup who fairs well because he's on the best team in the NHL, Stoll is a piece of crap center (mediocre on a good day) on an offensive minded team. You throw in the draft picks and you have one skewed trade. Trading away Luongo for Belfour and Bryz to improve your goaltending situation makes absolutely zero sense, sorry, that's not a good argument to help your case. Ok, you need some offence, fair enough, but Stoll is not worth a Luongo type player.
I'm not trying to offend anybody, but give a second chance to a manager who may have made a trade in haste. Stating that you may not be here next year even further supports the fact that this trade is unfair. By the way, the Thornton trade is still unbalanced, not as much as once thought, but it's not a great deal or genius move by any means. I wasn't even against that trade, just to compare. At least it had great upside.
Anyway...
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 17, 2007 21:59:58 GMT -5
How doesnt it help my goalies.....Belfour and Bryz are gonna get starts all my others are hurt. insert Belfrour and Bryz help fro right now.....yea i give up a good goalie but i get back points on offense and 2 goalies to help my situation right now. 2 goalies that i dont need to keep at the end of the season. hmmm seems like a win to me. I get what i want and he shores up his goalie situation.
Its stupid that you guys have to question everything I do that is the reason why i said i was THINKING not going to be gone next year. Everytime i do somthin someone has to question it or go over it with a fine tooth comb. im not stacking teams im not saying well shit im done with this season let me give away all my good players so i can be better later in the future. You guys have been wrong about my trades before....think maybe you could be wrong again???
This seriously is becoming a joke you guys dont like a trade because your afraid im not getting fair value the veto isnt for that its for you guys to stop me from cheating not to stop me from making what YOU see as a dumb trade.....when in the end its my team. Let me do what i want for it
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 17, 2007 22:35:00 GMT -5
It doesn't help your goalies because Belfour is done (Auld is going to get starts) and Bryz is only a temporary situation. Luongo will get you your starts every week by himself, and he'll do it well. Why not try to trade for a lower quality goalie for less if you're that worried? Giving away keepers for non-keepers also isn't a smart move, so I don't know why you're using that, if anything you should be getting as many assets as possible so that you can afford to make deals at the end of the year for draft picks.
I haven't been against any trade at all, except this one. So it's not "every time" for me, and I won't be wrong about this one. The thing you have to take into consideration is that a trade like this impacts the entire league and everybody suffers from it. Yeah, you can do what you want with your team, within reason, if it's clear it'll help short or long term. This trade does nothing for you. If it went through the rest of the league would suffer, not just you, I don't care if you suffer alone. I care about the integrity of the league. The trade should benefit both teams and make them better for it, giving the league more competition all around and not just swaying it too much in favour of one team.
Honestly it's a ridiculous trade, I'd like to hear what Derrick thinks.
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Jan 18, 2007 1:23:31 GMT -5
Looking at this page, I read 4 votes against vetoing the trade. Along with Derrick's vote, that makes 5 nays. This means even assuming every other manager in the league votes to veto, the maximum number would be 7. Since 8 votes are required for a veto, Winnepeg and I will yahoo the trade again when he gets online.
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.