CBJ/Winnepg Trade

[Nos - Sharks]

The trade is being discussed, I don't think any official vote has taken place, but I don't blame you for wanting to jump all over it as quickly as you can before he changes his mind.

If there are 12 managers and 4 vote to not veto, then that leaves 8 to veto. I'd like to think majority would rule anyway, especially seeing as two of the four managers are the trading teams themselves. I haven't heard Derrick's opinion on this.

[Chris - Capitals]

Bryz isnt a temp fix....1 he could stick around for the ducks next year if Giggy isnt resigned 2 he could be traded to another contender if giggy is resigned....Stoll isnt garbage hes a 70pt guy last i checked he isnt garbage.....

But lets change it around....who can give me "fair" value for Luongo and give me what I want for my team???

I need scoring Stoll gives me that.....I need a quick fix for my goalie situation. Bryz and Belfour give me that. I give up my 2nd Goalie in Luongo but guess what I still have Giggy when he gets back. its called dealing from a strength to get somthing. whos going to give me more for luongo that i need? would you deal me Vinny and Fernadez plus a few pics for the same offer??? NO you wouldnt I got what I could for Luongo to improve my team Luongo isnt needed on my team I have Giggy when hes health and I have Garon when he gets healthy I added a potential #1 if he gets traded at the deadline which of all reports i hear he'll either A get traded or B resigned when giggy walks....then I get belfour who im pretty sure the Panthers will lean on a bit more down the strech when they want that thing called exp. but hey I could be wrong.

In a few weeks when those players that im getting are doing better then you guys expected im deff rubbing it in your faces big time if this trade gets vetoed if it doesnt and I they dont put up numbers for me or you dont see an improvement of my overall standings feel free to rub it right back in my face.

[Chris - Capitals]

This league is to better simulate what real GMs have to go through in the NHL if thats really the case ask yourself this.....do all the other Gm's in the NHL go DAMN THIS GUY JUST TRADED SOMEONE I THOUGHT WAS WORHT ALOT MORE THEN WHAT HE GOT BACK MAYBE WE SHOULD SAY SOMTHING TO BETTMAN.....no they dont they're like damn he might have gotten hosed and go about there bus.

As for the keeper selections maybe the 2 of us value them a lil differently. your telling me that i should keep them and just say hey i can trade them off for draft picks at the end of the season. im saying i can keep that slot open at the end of the season for a better keeper that i pick up in the wavier or for that prospect thats ready to move to the big club. But hey in the end remember guys im the idiot that knows nothing about hockey

[Nos - Sharks]

I'm not calling you an idiot by any means. I'm asking you to take a second look at this trade. Keepers are submitted before the waiver/prospect draft, you get those players in addition to your keepers. Therefore you should have 10 solid keepers by year end. Luongo being one of your top keepers.

Since you asked, I'd give you fair market value for Luongo. Is Lecavalier = to Stoll? Hell no, but I'd still give you somebody better than Stoll. Maybe a Fernandez (a hell of a lot better than Belfour and Bryz put together, at least you know he's solid and a sure thing rather than putting it on hope) + Cammalleri (42 pts to Stoll's 37 pts) for Luongo deal. Remember, Belfour was just picked up as a FA and is 40+ years old, Auld has been touted as their future since the beginning. So...is a glorified back up + mediocre centre worth Luongo? Seriously?

Again, not trying to insult you, I just wanted you to take a second look, and overview of the situation.

[Phil - Blue Jackets]

nossharks said:

The trade is being discussed, I don't think any official vote has taken place, but I don't blame you for wanting to jump all over it as quickly as you can before he changes his mind.

If there are 12 managers and 4 vote to not veto, then that leaves 8 to veto. I'd like to think majority would rule anyway, especially seeing as two of the four managers are the trading teams themselves. I haven't heard Derrick's opinion on this.

1. You're correct. No vote has been taken. I am simply pointing out the uselessness of a vote. Four people have voiced opinions against a veto. Add Derrick and that's five. Check your NAFHL regs. Section 5 subsection D: A 2/3 majority is required to veto a trade. Jumping in the way back machine, 2/3 of 12 is 8; 12 total votes minus the five nays equals 7 at max. That is if every other person in the league votes to veto.

2. I am not hurrying this along to change his mind. First, he doesn't want to change his mind. You act like I talked him into this trade to begin with you ninny. Secondly, check those pesky regs again. Section 5 subsection G: If a manager accepts a trade, he cannot then reverse his decision or "change his mind" as you stated it.

3. What was that point about two of the four teams being in the trade? Check your....oh I'm tired of saying it. Every league member gets a vote dumby.

4. A majority does rule, a 2/3 majority. I wonder why its like that. Maybe, just maybe that was made the case so it is harder to veto a fucking trade. It almost has to be a unanimous decision amd rightfully so. Fortunately in this case, it is not.

5. Derrick doesn't veto unless collusion, cheating, or player dumping is involved. Obviously, none of those are the case here. His is the fifth vote in blocking a veto. Now, lock the fucking trade up because it is how each MANAGER wants to MANAGE his team.

[Phil - Blue Jackets]

What's the deal here. Are we gonna vote or not? If somethin isn't done by tomorrow sometime, Winnepeg and I are gonna lock that trade up.

[Derrick - Senators]

First off, let me start by saying that i think the deal is completely one sided. That was before i even knew some picks were being swapped, i was just going by what i saw on yahoo. Sorry, there isnt an arguement that can be made for how second round prospect picks can better your team now or later over a first round waiver where you could snag the likes of naslund, fernandez, glen murray, probably even stoll himself. thats out of the question.

with that said, strictly looking at the deal from yahoo, sure its one sided, but every manager has the right to do as they wish with their team. i cant play god and neither can anyone else in the league. yeah chris has made some "risky" trades but so far they have pretty much all payed off for him. i respect that in a manager.

ive said it many times before and ill say it again staying steady with my arguements. i hate the veto option, cant stand it. will this hurt the league more than itll help winnipeg? who knows? only time could tell. thats something that will have to be dealt with later. at the same time though, all the teams making these "questionable trades" i expect to see back next year, and the next year etc remaining active and accepting their decisions and consequences. thats the only thing im really worried about, not so much the ramifications on the number of keepers one has. there isnt any way to promise that you or anybody else will be back, look at atlanta and colorado, they have already left. starting this off season (once the awesome new site is up and the bad managers have been weeded out) i dont think its unreasonable to set up some sort of "entry fee" where at the end of the year a certain amount will be distrubted to various champions/winners. this is just a way to keep things "interesting" and keep people around. also upcoming is a new/revised rulebook since a lot has been and will be changed. this will clear up any confusion when things like this happen. If you guys want the trade to be vetoed, make it happen. if not, itll go through and we will deal with it accordingly. My opinion on the matter is insignificant in determining. i hate the trade and would never even dream of accepting it personally, but what is that in the grand scheme of things? im not looking at player names, im looking at situation. the same arguement i upheld when my trade was under the microscope ill uphold now.

ok enough rambling for now. we'll discuss more on that later.

as for the trade, i thought we ruled last time that the 2 people in the trade votes didnt count and we were basing it on the rest of the leagues opinion. still 2/3 majority but instead of 12 votes it was out of 10. this was to elimate the 2 bias votes.

regardless, it should have the same outcome. ill set up the official poll so you bloodhounds can vote.

*note* disregard the injury to stoll, whereas it occured after the trade was initally accepted.

[Nos - Sharks]

I think that's a fair ruling under the circumstances, and I don't think you could have done any more. If this does go through I just hope he stays for next year, and the year after, as you said. I like the 'other managers' ruling as the two conducting the trade do have a bias. I especially like the talk about a rulebook revision (and entry fee), as I think this league needs one. How is the talk to expand the site going anyway? If you need any help I'm more than willing. Furthermore, where the fuck have you been fool? Haven't seen you in a while. Talk later.

[Chris - Capitals]

I also had no idea the Stoll was injured

[Phil - Blue Jackets]

Stoll got "injured" well after the trade was accepted, so that doesn't matter.

[Hawks]

I havn't left?