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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 13, 2007 9:32:42 GMT -5
To Winnipeg:
2007 1st Round Prospect (3rd overall)
2007 8th Round Waiver
To San Jose:
Patrice Bergeron
I accept.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jun 13, 2007 9:35:01 GMT -5
accepted
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jun 13, 2007 20:22:59 GMT -5
...that's 3 or 4 class D felonies now for nose.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 13, 2007 20:30:39 GMT -5
Oh please, look at the trading history, 1st overall went for Briere last year. Besides, he initiated the deal.  |
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Post by patriot0103 on Jun 13, 2007 23:07:31 GMT -5
This one is pretty bad though lol...can't blame you for making a good deal, but damn.
and the Briere one is even worse...let's not use that for justification haha. Although last years class was also stronger than this years by quite a bit.
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Jun 14, 2007 0:06:55 GMT -5
Oh please, look at the trading history, 1st overall went for Briere last year. Besides, he initiated the deal. And we've seen that the person thought of getting hosed intiating the deal means nothing. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jun 14, 2007 0:12:10 GMT -5
Oh please, look at the trading history, 1st overall went for Briere last year. Besides, he initiated the deal. ...which is known around this league as the "worst trade in history." ... |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 14, 2007 0:41:08 GMT -5
...which is known around this league as the "worst trade in history." ... Yes...well... ... |
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jun 14, 2007 9:40:47 GMT -5
I wanted a top 3 pick in the prospect draft and he wanted Bergeron I tried to trade with the 1st and 2nd picks overall but nothing was doing they wanted to keep there picks so I had to overpay a bit to get what I wanted.....lets wait and see what my pick does 2-3 yrs down the road before we compair it to the worst trade in league history please???
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Post by Andrew on Jun 14, 2007 9:58:01 GMT -5
As long as you're prepared to wait, this trade is okay. But it will probably something like 5 years before your #3 pick turns into a Patrice Bergeron. In my opinion, there's three standouts in this year's draft so put it to good use and you're fine.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Jun 14, 2007 12:18:52 GMT -5
I wanted a top 3 pick in the prospect draft and he wanted Bergeron I tried to trade with the 1st and 2nd picks overall but nothing was doing they wanted to keep there picks so I had to overpay a bit to get what I wanted.....lets wait and see what my pick does 2-3 yrs down the road before we compair it to the worst trade in league history please??? I don't think its the worst trade in history. Its just that draft picks take time to develop and there is no guarantee they'll be great. I just think that some managers forget to take a look at the bigger picture and might not value a great prospect, but you forgot to compensate for the additional risk of what happens if that pick doesn't turn out so great. Basically people don't like the deal because you're trading away a proven talent for long-term, raw potential. Its a risky move, but it could turn out well (who knows right now?). |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 14, 2007 14:13:01 GMT -5
Two good posts from Andrew and Mark, thumbs up.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Jun 14, 2007 15:59:22 GMT -5
Two good posts from Andrew and Mark, thumbs up. On the one hand, I think you won the deal for the sole reason of trading a risky unknown commodity for a proven player. But on the other hand, just what exactly is fair market value for a top 3 pick? Obviously, the Briere deal last season was a bit of an overpayment (Staal's a solid C and great on the shorthand, but I doubt he'll put up 100 points like Briere almost did last year), but what is a top pick worth? Are you supposed to treat top picks like they're throw-ins for deals or do you pretend like each pick is the holy grail and will result in the next Sidney Crosby? It seems like a lot of GMs in the league think they're worth the former or the latter and there is no middle ground. Prospects are either severely under valued or way over valued in this league by GMs. |
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jun 14, 2007 16:27:07 GMT -5
I believe that there are a few great picks avalible early this year...not a Crosby or Ovie type player but I do think 2 or 3 of the guys will turn into a Vinny, Stall, Bergeron esque player if im wrong great deal for you Nos if im right great deal for both of us....time will tell....
i think its a good pick up on my part because im trying to keep a younger team....yes i know bergeron is young but if the player I get is a NHL starter from day one thats a year I can send him to the farm and use a keeper slot on one of my big guys that are going to be ineligable for it next year....ex. Semin, Penner, Eaves, Zajac. So im looking long run too.
Maybe I could have gotten more for Bergeron but nobody in the top 3 would give up on of those picks so I had to overpay
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jun 15, 2007 5:08:46 GMT -5
On the one hand, I think you won the deal for the sole reason of trading a risky unknown commodity for a proven player. But on the other hand, just what exactly is fair market value for a top 3 pick? Obviously, the Briere deal last season was a bit of an overpayment (Staal's a solid C and great on the shorthand, but I doubt he'll put up 100 points like Briere almost did last year), but what is a top pick worth? Are you supposed to treat top picks like they're throw-ins for deals or do you pretend like each pick is the holy grail and will result in the next Sidney Crosby? It seems like a lot of GMs in the league think they're worth the former or the latter and there is no middle ground. Prospects are either severely under valued or way over valued in this league by GMs. That's understandable, I think I won the deal too, or I wouldn't have done it.  Supply and demand, that's what it comes down to. I don't think there's such a split when it comes to picks/prospects, just the importance of assets to a team. I don't think "under/over valued" in such polarizing terms is an ideal way to look at the mindset of GMs in this league when there are many variables to consider. Bottom line, Chris made a risky move, not a bad one. |
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Post by patriot0103 on Jun 15, 2007 7:58:28 GMT -5
Maybe I could have gotten more for Bergeron but nobody in the top 3 would give up on of those picks so I had to overpay Well, you originally mentioned waiver picks or 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks. Had I heard Bergeron somewhere in there I have a feeling you might have the 2nd overall pick lol. ;D Nobody's calling for veto or anything, just some people feel it was an overpayment. Just an opinion, the trade went through, you both get what you want. Sounds like a good deal to me. |
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.