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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jan 12, 2013 2:34:05 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes release Kevin Connauton from the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes send Roman Cervenka to the Checkers.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jan 22, 2013 9:12:13 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes release Dwight King from the Checkers.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jan 28, 2013 15:43:02 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes send Justin Faulk to the Checkers.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 3, 2013 4:52:16 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes recall Justin Faulk.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 6, 2013 6:47:03 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes send Brendan Smith to the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes recall Ryan Ellis.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 12, 2013 7:14:06 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes send Craig Smith to the Checkers.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 14, 2013 16:30:34 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes release Roman Cervenka from the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes sign Mark Scheifele to the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes release Joey Hishon from the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes sign Alex Galchenyuk to the Checkers.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 15, 2013 8:38:22 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes release Marek Tvrdon from the Everblades. Carolina Hurricanes send Dmitrij Jaskin to the Everblades. Carolina Hurricanes sign Drew Shore to the Checkers.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 15, 2013 11:48:21 GMT -5
Carolina Hurricanes release Roman Cervenka from the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes sign Mark Scheifele to the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes release Joey Hishon from the Checkers. Carolina Hurricanes sign Alex Galchenyuk to the Checkers. So these transactions were legit? Derrick has added them to Carolina's farm lineup. Can't wait to hear what Mark has to say.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 15, 2013 11:57:10 GMT -5
Automatic promotion won't work because nearly every team in the league operates at full capacity on both farm teams at all times. In which case it would just become a lot of busy work that would end up in the same result: players in violation becoming free agents and/or being tossed into the summer drafts. Additionally, "automatic promotion" shifts responsibility from individual managers back to me, and that is something that we have been working to move away from over the past couple seasons. At this point, I think it is only fair that the standard 2 DAY GRACE PERIOD (same as a waiver claim) be given. However, I understand that some managers may not log in to see this message until tomorrow, the next day, or even after the two-day grace period has ended. Therefore, this ALL TEAMS NEED TO MAKE THE NECESSARY TRANSACTIONS TO RESOLVE THIS SITUATION BEFORE THE END OF THIS STATISTICAL WEEK (SUNDAY 2/19). No more warnings will be issued beyond this first one. Those teams found in subsequent violation will forfeit player/players to free agency and/or the upcoming waiver/entry draft. This was the precedent set last year when we were in exactly the same situation. It's not my fault people can't manage their farm teams correctly and I'm well within my rights to make claims for those players. 9 out of 12 GM's in the league did manage to take care of the development teams so why should the other 3 get a free pass?
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 15, 2013 12:08:29 GMT -5
Automatic promotion won't work because nearly every team in the league operates at full capacity on both farm teams at all times. In which case it would just become a lot of busy work that would end up in the same result: players in violation becoming free agents and/or being tossed into the summer drafts. Additionally, "automatic promotion" shifts responsibility from individual managers back to me, and that is something that we have been working to move away from over the past couple seasons. At this point, I think it is only fair that the standard 2 DAY GRACE PERIOD (same as a waiver claim) be given. However, I understand that some managers may not log in to see this message until tomorrow, the next day, or even after the two-day grace period has ended. Therefore, this ALL TEAMS NEED TO MAKE THE NECESSARY TRANSACTIONS TO RESOLVE THIS SITUATION BEFORE THE END OF THIS STATISTICAL WEEK (SUNDAY 2/19). No more warnings will be issued beyond this first one. Those teams found in subsequent violation will forfeit player/players to free agency and/or the upcoming waiver/entry draft. This was the precedent set last year when we were in exactly the same situation. It's not my fault people can't manage their farm teams correctly and I'm well within my rights to make claims for those players. 9 out of 12 GM's in the league did manage to take care of the development teams so why should the other 3 get a free pass? Roster violations have typically been issued a 'heads up' warning. For instance, if there's no sufficient roster space Derrick would leave a note 'Please add/drop someone to make room for X' and give the manager 2 days to comply. I feel this protects the best interests of the league and its franchises. 'Intent' has always been a sticking point and for good reason. This is why I was fine with Derrick reclaiming P.K. Subban after he was put on Waivers. At the end of the day it's kind of a scummy way to acquire talent.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Feb 15, 2013 23:15:02 GMT -5
This is just ridiculous. Markus can't get any good players on his team (besides Malkin) so he wants to steal other team's talent. He tried to steal players last year & it didn't work. Maybe if he'd concentrate on building his own team instead of stalking other teams then he'd actually have a chance at the playoffs. It's an underhanded tactic that makes me realize why he's so popular in trades...
Also, it's garbage Derrick would even make the roster changes on the site. The spirit of the rule is to prevent people from cramming extra farm players as free keepers at the end of the season, not to allow crappy gms a chance to poach players. Derrick has a life outside of fantasy. I have a life outside of fantasy. Just because I don't spend my life micromanaging a team I had since the inaugural season doesn't mean I'm a bad gm. If you're telling me I have to pick between obsessing over my fantasy team or have free time in real life, I'm picking real life every time. This is like shooting a thief in your own house & going to jail for it b/c the law says you can't kill someone. Be realistic & realize what the intent behind a rule is before writing it.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Feb 15, 2013 23:24:42 GMT -5
This is a tough situation. Seems like stealing players to me. Don't really know how to fix the issue. Both are in the right under certain technicalities of the rule. I know everyone has real life but some how there needs to be a warning msg and 2 day grace period. Good young talent shouldn't be able to be acquired like this ever.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 16, 2013 6:03:04 GMT -5
This is just ridiculous. Markus can't get any good players on his team (besides Malkin) so he wants to steal other team's talent. He tried to steal players last year & it didn't work. Maybe if he'd concentrate on building his own team instead of stalking other teams then he'd actually have a chance at the playoffs. It's an underhanded tactic that makes me realize why he's so popular in trades... Yea. You can go through the entire conversation from last year starting on page 7 of this thread. It's your own fault you can't manage your teams, not mine.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 16, 2013 9:00:48 GMT -5
This is just ridiculous. Markus can't get any good players on his team (besides Malkin) so he wants to steal other team's talent. He tried to steal players last year & it didn't work. Maybe if he'd concentrate on building his own team instead of stalking other teams then he'd actually have a chance at the playoffs. It's an underhanded tactic that makes me realize why he's so popular in trades... Also, it's garbage Derrick would even make the roster changes on the site. The spirit of the rule is to prevent people from cramming extra farm players as free keepers at the end of the season, not to allow crappy gms a chance to poach players. Derrick has a life outside of fantasy. I have a life outside of fantasy. Just because I don't spend my life micromanaging a team I had since the inaugural season doesn't mean I'm a bad gm. If you're telling me I have to pick between obsessing over my fantasy team or have free time in real life, I'm picking real life every time. This is like shooting a thief in your own house & going to jail for it b/c the law says you can't kill someone. Be realistic & realize what the intent behind a rule is before writing it. I make changes on the site so that I can keep a correspondence of things that occur. Same as the "changes" I make when a team goes over the roster limit (20/19) or how I add a minor leaguer player to the farm who has not yet cleared waivers. As of right now, the official rule in the rulebook reads: Nowhere in its current wording does the rule state "a 2 day grace period after a warning." The "warning" was just something I did this most recent time it was an issue. The rule is meant to be understood as "2 days after the player runs out of farm eligibility." Given how the rule currently reads, I think the signings are legal. Such a rule was put in place to promote accountability, which is a good thing. With that said, I personally do not like the rule. However, it is not up to me, but rather the league to decide the rules that govern it. In this instance, that presents a problem because this is a unique case. Previously we have debated and subsequently altered the rulebook based on technicalities or the wording of certain rules. In this instance, we are debating if the rule is ethical or not. This is of course a much deeper issue that comes with much more baggage. For instance: If the rule is NOT ethical, then how can one argue that reversing the decision (ex post facto) and essentially punishing a GM for playing within the current rules IS ethical? Players are now "stolen" from someone either way.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Feb 16, 2013 12:06:14 GMT -5
This is laughable. Its good to know you support squatter's rights, Derrick. Its quite funny how you said its unethical to reverse a previously unethical action because we don't want to hurt any thieving GM's feelings. You're right that rules are the rules. They are clear & always explicitly obvious. It's not like there exists entire professions (lawyers & judges) & legal system (courts) in order to interpret paper rules to real life situations & specific instances. I'm glad that we now know that Markus's voice is the final word, not the Commish.
Since you want to follow the rules so strictly, I could show that the move is wrong. The rules state that I have 2 days to make a move once a player no longer meets FARM team requirements. Meanwhile, the rules specifically refer to the development team as "additional farm team." Markus stole Galchenyuk away from my development team. Last I checked, Galchenyuk still meets "farm team" requirements (as defined by the rules as being a minor league player w 200 or less GP) & should still be on my roster. Nowhere in the rules does it state that Markus can steal a player from my development team aka the "additional farm team." The rule he's quoting only applies to "farm team" players who are no longer minor leaguers and are still being kept on the farm. Nowhere in the rules does it refer to losing eligibility on the "additional farm team" nor does it state a GM can steal another team's player from said team. Not to mention the fact that during the entire episode, I've had 18/19 players on my farm team, which means there was always space available for Galchenyuk to have been moved there.
BOOM. Lawyered.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 16, 2013 13:11:13 GMT -5
You were in this same exact situation with certain Ryan Nugent-Hopkins last year. He could have been claimed from your development team after having played over 10 NHL-games. Now everyone was given a fair warning last year about mismanaging development teams and this time 9 out 12 GM's followed the rules like you should have.
Earlier you spoke some utter bs about "intent of a rule" when you've clearly misunderstood the whole concept of Development teams. 9 out 12 GM's have actually understood that those teams are meant for long term project players. Not NHL-ready players who are in risk of going over the cap. The fact that you blatantly break the rules 2nd year in a row is a sign of pure ignorance and I have absolutely no problem what so ever claiming a free agent player that you've mismanaged.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Feb 16, 2013 14:21:58 GMT -5
Thanks for your ruling, Honorable Judge Markus. I guess we no longer need The Commish to weigh in on a decision anymore. I enjoyed the part where instead of providing counterpoint to my argument, you whined about not getting my player last year.
Its too bad you keep quoting a rule that doesn't apply to this situation. That rule doesn't state anything about "additional farm teams" aka development team. I'm pretty sure that rule was in the original charter of our league's rules (if not, then added shortly after). Meanwhile, the rules establishing the development teams were added last season. That rule was NEVER written to address development teams so I don't know why you're applying it in this situation. Your argument is like saying apples & apple juice are exactly the same because they both have the word "apple" in them. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit! Show me where in the rules it says you can steal players on the "additional farm team," aka development team? You can't. You're just trying to mull into the gray area of an old rule, cross your fingers, & hope you pull off the biggest heist since Ocean's Eleven.
If you want to acquire better players, then draft / trade for them. Don't try to steal them from other teams. Also, please present a better argument than complaining about your failed attempt at stealing players last year and how you deserve them now because you're persistent at using underhanded, illegal tactics.
BOOM. Lawyered 2: Electric Boogaloo.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 16, 2013 14:37:40 GMT -5
Yawn. The situation last year is at the page 7 for everyone. Now your attempts to twist the situation from last year just makes your arguments even more pathetic. But hey go tank for another year mr bottom feeder.
Oh and the ruleboook clearly states this:
D) Each team has a farm system that is composed of two teams. The main farm team has a total 19 roster slots, and the additional farm team has a total of 10 roster slots. The main farm team is eligible to roster any prospect or minor leaguer player. The additional farm team is only permitted to roster prospects with 10 (or less) NHL games played.
Now read that line and read what Derrick wrote when you failed to follow the rules the last time. Doesn't get any clearer than that.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Feb 16, 2013 14:59:04 GMT -5
There was a voice of reason last year & this year there isn't, so I'm posting the strict rules (which you love to go by). Good idea... Let's take a look at page 7 To avoid the same situation I think there should be an automatic promotion from the development team to the normal farm team once a player goes over 10 games limit... It's good to know you're a man of your word & you don't flip flop on your belief system, Markus. By the way, I only had 18/19 farm players this entire time. So... Also, thanks for recognizing my elite ability to tank this season... as I currently sit in 2nd place to your 8th. Also, thanks for reiterating my point about "farm team" vs "additional farm team." Apples don't equal apple juice. They're not referred to as two "farm teams." There are two instances in that same paragraph where there the development team is explicitly defined & referred to as " additional farm team" thereby differentiating itself from the "farm team." The farm team + additional farm team are part of the "farm system." They are never referred to as being the same thing. Thanks for telling me the "additional farm team" definition. I already knew that & quoted that above. Show me in the rules where is says you can steal a player from the "additional farm team." They don't. They only say you can take a player that doesn't meet requirements for the farm team, not additional farm team.
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