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Post by Mark - Bruins on Mar 4, 2013 16:06:46 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators send Christopher Nilstorp to Binghamton. I have a feeling that I have an upcoming waiver transaction regarding the player I originally signed first...  |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 15, 2013 19:30:48 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators recall Jhonas Enroth from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators send Cristopher Nilstorp to Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 18, 2013 1:48:40 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators send Jhonas Enroth to Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 19, 2013 15:06:16 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators release Travis Hamonic from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators sign T.J. Brennan to Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 21, 2013 0:24:40 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators sign Gabriel Bourque to Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Apr 22, 2013 12:54:35 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators recall T.J Brennan from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators recall Anders Lindback from Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 2, 2013 17:15:37 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators recall Tuukka Rask from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators recall Sergei Bobrovsky from Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 14, 2013 13:19:21 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators recall Anders Lindback from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators recall Viktor Fasth from Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 18, 2013 14:30:53 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators recall Jhonas Enroth from Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 27, 2013 1:52:20 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators release Raphael Diaz from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators release T.J. Brennan from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators send Anders Lindback to Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators send Jhonas Enroth to Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 19, 2013 11:02:42 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators release Gabriel Bourque from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators send Tuukka Rask to Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Sept 14, 2013 0:52:27 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators release Toni Rajala from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators sign Sergei Tolchinsky to Binghamton.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Sept 18, 2013 4:05:48 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators release Mike Lee from Binghamton.
The Ottawa Senators sign Connor McDavid to Binghamton.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Sept 18, 2013 8:58:35 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators release Mike Lee from Binghamton. The Ottawa Senators sign Connor McDavid to Binghamton.
H) No player may be drafted or signed to a NAFHL roster unless that player was drafted or has signed a contract with an NHL team.Connor McDavid cannot be signed to an NAFHL roster because he hasn't been drafted/signed to an NHL team. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Sept 18, 2013 19:34:25 GMT -5
The Ottawa Senators release Mike Lee from Binghamton. The Ottawa Senators sign Connor McDavid to Binghamton.
H) No player may be drafted or signed to a NAFHL roster unless that player was drafted or has signed a contract with an NHL team.Connor McDavid cannot be signed to an NAFHL roster because he hasn't been drafted/signed to an NHL team. Connor McDavid WAS drafted...1st Overall in the OHL. The rulebook doesn't state a player has to be drafted to the NHL. Additionally rules 8O and 8P state: The rule only specifies that prospects from the CURRENT DRAFT YEAR can not be drafted. Nowhere in the rule book does it say anything about future draft years prospects once open prospect signing opens. All three drafts have passed and a free agent signing date has been established. If the Thomas signing is "legal" than so is the McDavid one. ...Or is it just "understood" that we can't sign prospects from a future draft class? |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Sept 18, 2013 20:34:08 GMT -5
It says right in that line 'unless that player was drafted or has signed a contract with an NHL team'. It's an all encompassing line. Not sure what you're not grasping here or why you're being so obtuse.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Sept 20, 2013 11:57:02 GMT -5
It says right in that line 'unless that player was drafted or has signed a contract with an NHL team'. It's an all encompassing line. Not sure what you're not grasping here or why you're being so obtuse. It actually isn't an all encompassing line at all. And it was never meant to be. The "drafted" portion was understood to pertain strictly to newly drafted prospects, and the "contract" portion was to pertain to overagers, minor leaguers, and all other players. Per the Thomas argument from the "Commissioner Announcements" thread: ^ That makes no sense. The rule in question: 6) Draft Procedure
H) No player may be drafted or signed to a NAFHL roster unless that player was drafted or has signed a contract with an NHL team.The wording says 'unless that player was drafted (Tim Thomas was drafted) or has signed a contract with an NHL team. I don't see any nitpicking there. It's written perfectly clear that you can sign either a player with a NHL-contract OR who has been drafted. If you think there's nitpicking maybe you should add and asterisk pointing out that it can only be done at the discretion of the commissioner. By highlighting the inclusion of "or" in the statement both of you are indirectly and unknowingly proving my point. An "all encompassing line" would include the word "AND" not "or," and include a modifier before or after the word "drafted." Furthermore, the word "Or" implies that there are two separate and distinct pieces to the statement. Logic 101. As the rule is written now, the requirements are A.) that a player was drafted (league not specified) OR has an NHL contract (league specified). The rule you are arguing for would/should read: "H) No player may be drafted or signed to a NAFHL roster unless that player was drafted to an NHL team and/or has signed a contract with an NHL team." But it doesn't. There is an error in wording. Let me reiterate: I understand the point you are trying to make, but what you are failing to understand is that once again, it is an issue of the WORDING (to which we have all understood without issue for years) in the rule book and nothing more. The only time there is an issue is when someone tries to find a loophole to maximizes his or her gains "illegally." not every rule can be written, some things are just understood. So, in the spirit of nitpicking, I think Markus put it best when he said: Whatever is written in the rulebook has to be exactly the way this issue and any further issues are handled. Whether the wording is faulty in terms of not representing the original intent, is completely irrelevant. What is written in the rulebook makes the Connor McDavid signing legal. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Sept 20, 2013 22:00:59 GMT -5
If there were separate thoughts they would be marked with commas, as it stands there are no commas and it reads as one fluid sentence. English 101. The only nitpicking and bending of rules being done here is with you.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Sept 20, 2013 22:17:51 GMT -5
To further bang home my point about sentence fluidity.
6) Draft Procedure
H) No player may be drafted or signed to a NAFHL roster unless that player was drafted or has signed a contract with an NHL team.
The first part of that line 'No player may be drafted or signed to a NAFHL roster' according to you since there's an 'or' in there it reads 'No player may be drafted' as the separate thought? Then it continues a second thought? Does that make any sense whatsoever? The answer is, of course, no it does not. It's a fluid sentence that doesn't require superfluous additions. We don't need to write it as 'No player may be drafted to an NAFHL roster or signed to an NAFHL roster' because it's a singular thought with two parts. It doesn't need to be said twice.
Pretty straight forward stuff and this little crusade you're on is very unbecoming.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Sept 21, 2013 2:38:20 GMT -5
If there were separate thoughts they would be marked with commas, as it stands there are no commas and it reads as one fluid sentence. English 101. The only nitpicking and bending of rules being done here is with you. Wrong. There are an infinite amount of sentences that contain the word "or" and produce separate thoughts without the use of a comma. For example: "You can drink Pepsi or you can eat fat free salad dressing." OR... "I should go to the store today or I will be late for work tomorrow." OR... "I don't know how many different ways I can tell you that I am right or that you are being a douche bag. OR finally... "No player may be drafted or signed to a NAFHL roster unless that player was drafted or has signed a contract with an NHL team." English is the most contradictory language in the entire world and in no way can be used to decide arguments (and subsequently logical outcomes) because of its usage of multiple meanings, multiple spellings, and the inability of its components to agree with one another. Hence the use of logic, which is a way of taking a broken language and "mathematizing" it by implementing a universal set of rules to form complex thoughts and ideas. The sentences above break down like this: Pepsi or fat free salad dressing. Not fat free Pepsi or fat free salad dressing. Store today, late for work tomorrow. Not late to store today, late for work tomorrow. I am right, you are a douche bag. Not I am a right douche bag, you are a douche bag. Drafted or NHL contract, not NHL drafted, NHL contract. According to you and Markus, one can not infer or speculate what is not there (logic). There is no such thing as an "understood rule" (Logic). Yet, you want to argue this as a matter of ENGLISH? A language that invented the rule of understood parts of speech. Ex. (You) Go to the store. Do you see the problem here? So I will say it again. If "whatever is written in the rulebook has to be exactly the way this issue and any further issues are handled. Whether the wording is faulty in terms of not representing the original intent, is completely irrelevant," then the Connor McDavid signing is legal.The modifier "NHL" to its counterpart "drafted" in a sentence that produces two separates thoughts is not there. Plain and simple. |
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So exciting.
Aug 28, 2024 22:53:08 GMT -5
So exciting.
Aug 28, 2024 22:53:08 GMT -5
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.
Sept 13, 2024 17:17:04 GMT -5
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.
Sept 13, 2024 17:17:04 GMT -5