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Post by Derrick - Senators on Nov 28, 2011 7:13:36 GMT -5
Any rule change must be presented to the league and subsequently voted on in order for it to be enacted.
I think the rule in question is concise, straight forward, and to the point.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Nov 28, 2011 11:48:38 GMT -5
Any rule change must be presented to the league and subsequently voted on in order for it to be enacted. I think the rule in question is concise, straight forward, and to the point. Is it? Where is that rule? Can you please point it out to me? I'm not suggesting a rule change, I'm saying that rule doesn't exist and therefore what I did was perfectly legal under NAFHL Law (Constitution). Unless, of course, I'm not seeing that rule for whatever reason. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Nov 28, 2011 16:48:44 GMT -5
Any rule change must be presented to the league and subsequently voted on in order for it to be enacted. I think the rule in question is concise, straight forward, and to the point. Is it? Where is that rule? Can you please point it out to me? I'm not suggesting a rule change, I'm saying that rule doesn't exist and therefore what I did was perfectly legal under NAFHL Law (Constitution). Unless, of course, I'm not seeing that rule for whatever reason. You just cited the rule in your previous post. Section 6: Draft Procedures I) The Inaugural Draft (the draft beginning May 6th) is a 19-round draft where you may draft ANYONE who has already been drafted by or played with a NHL club. The above rule was written in 2006 before the Inaugural Draft. The Inaugural Draft was an "umbrella" draft where all the rules of of all players and drafts were combined, because virtually every player could be drafted. The rules that have been present since the beginning are understood to hold precedence and are to be followed unless otherwise specified. There have been numerous occasions in almost every teams farm transactions thread over the years where the rule in question can be observed. So, as I understand your argument, you are claiming that since the Inaugural Draft has ended, Minor Leaguers are no longer Minor Leaguers as we understood them before and during the Inaugural Draft, and likewise, Prospects the same? Prospects are Prospects and Minor Leaguers are Minor Leaguers and the rules that define each are understood and have been constant since the inception of the league, regardless of how you want to try and twist the written rules. I do not feel like we need a sub-section to every section of the rule book stating: Seems a bit excessive, no? |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 2, 2011 9:51:16 GMT -5
Certainly, that's excessive and not needed but still isn't what I was asking. I don't think I'm 'twisting' any rules, I'm reading them at face value. Nowhere does it say anything about contract signing so why is that the determining point? By those rules I quoted Tanner Pearson would have to either be drafted by an NHL team (he can't be I don't think, since he's two years removed) or play in at least 1 NHL game before anyone can sign him. Is that fair to say? Is that the determining point for him? After he's played in 1 NHL game? If that's the case that's fine but that seems off to me for a prospect signing. Late to the party if you will. Scouting should involve the open market minus the upcoming Entry Draft (and obviously players younger than that) 18, 19, 20, 21 year old players that fell through the cracks should be fair game to the manager that scouts the player first.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Dec 3, 2011 15:25:58 GMT -5
Nos, can it. We already had this discussion with Jonas Gustavsson & Fabian Brunnstrom before and it was settled the same way. You're guy isn't eligible until he gets a contract or is drafted.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 3, 2011 20:06:01 GMT -5
You can it Mark, you're fighting for dead last (as hard as you can), this should be the least of your concerns. Just because we've been following a rule that never existed to begin with doesn't mean we should continue following it. Do you know how asinine that sounds? You're guy isn't eligible until he gets a contract or is drafted. All I'm asking is why does contract signing have anything to do with eligibility? Pearson can't be drafted therefore we go to the next rule which is playing 1 NHL game. I'm fine with that, I don't get Pearson, I brought up something that should be brought up to the league. A hole in the rulebook. I'm not happy with the current rule either, I think we still need to amend it but I'm happy to bring up the farce that was contract signing being the point of eligibility. That's as random and unpredictable as it gets. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 3, 2011 22:25:04 GMT -5
A player can not play in an NHL game unless he has signed a contract. However, we have an off-season in which games are not played. Therefore, ownership is determined by "contract signed," which is of course a promise to play in upcoming games once the season starts.
That's why.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 4, 2011 2:27:20 GMT -5
Look, I'm not trying to start any controversy or anything, I just found it to be a slight oversight that the 'contract signing' rule was never introduced. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. 'Promised' games played because of an off-season, that's...I don't know. The rules are pretty clear the way they're written (Drafted or 1 NHL Game) I'd suggest holding a vote to see if the league wants the 'contract signing' rule to be written in, amending the rulebook, or to change the way we sign these types of prospects altogether. Surely you can admit the rulebook wording isn't perfect so why not improve it? I don't think it's unreasonable to request a league vote.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 4, 2011 11:18:26 GMT -5
Look, I'm not trying to start any controversy or anything, I just found it to be a slight oversight that the 'contract signing' rule was never introduced. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. 'Promised' games played because of an off-season, that's...I don't know. The rules are pretty clear the way they're written (Drafted or 1 NHL Game) I'd suggest holding a vote to see if the league wants the 'contract signing' rule to be written in, amending the rulebook, or to change the way we sign these types of prospects altogether. Surely you can admit the rulebook wording isn't perfect so why not improve it? I don't think it's unreasonable to request a league vote. As I said in my first response on the matter long ago, you are more than welcome to start a poll on your own regarding any rule change/modification you would like to see. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 4, 2011 17:59:15 GMT -5
Cool, I set up a poll.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 5, 2011 2:20:59 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks release (RW) Ben Smith from Vancouver.
The San Jose Sharks release (LW) Matt Calvert from Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks release (LW) Teemu Hartikainen from Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks release (RW) Jared Staal from Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks sign (C) Johan Larsson and assign him to Vancouver.
The San Jose Sharks sign (RW) André Petersson and assign him to Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks sign (LW) Carl Hagelin and assign him to Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks sign (RW) Casey Wellman and assign him to Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 6, 2011 20:33:08 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks send (C,LW) Logan 'Wolverine' Couture to Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 7, 2011 23:46:44 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks recall (D) P.K. Subban from Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 11, 2011 1:40:22 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks send (C,RW) Jeff Skinner to Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks send (D) P.K. Subban to Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks recall (C,LW) Logan 'Wolverine' Couture from Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks recall (LW) Carl Hagelin from Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 15, 2011 0:55:24 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks send (LW) Carl Hagelin to Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks recall (D) P.K. Subban from Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 18, 2011 4:34:22 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks send (D) P.K. Subban to Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 27, 2011 12:11:32 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks release (G) Allen York from Vancouver.
The San Jose Sharks sign (RW) Jason Zucker and assign him to Vancouver.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 16, 2012 10:23:23 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks recall (C,RW) Jeff Skinner from Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks recall (C) Adam Henrique from Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 19, 2012 11:28:16 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks sign (RW) Jimmy Hayes and assign him to Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks sign (D) Joseph 'Joe' Morrow and assign him to Worcester.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 20, 2012 19:52:32 GMT -5
The San Jose Sharks send (C,LW) Logan 'Wolverine' Couture to Worcester.
The San Jose Sharks recall (D) P.K. Subban from Worcester.
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.