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Post by Derrick - Senators on Apr 9, 2009 14:35:59 GMT -5
Section 9, Article B
During the playoffs, no trading or Free Agent signing is allowed. Only players from a manager’s farm team may be moved to and from each respective roster given a spot is available.
How do you interpret the meaning of "Free Agent" in this specific instance? Are Free Agents strictly those players who can only be assigned to the big club? Or is the term, "Free Agent" an all-inclusive term, considering the fact that we are permitted to make farm transactions during the playoffs?
Explain your reasoning.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Apr 10, 2009 7:55:35 GMT -5
I think it's fine to sign prospects to your farm simply because it's understood within the league that this was the rule. I remember asking you if it were ok in an IM and you said yes. To add to that, being able to utilize farm transactions during the playoffs is something we're all aware of and the term 'farm transactions' should encompass everything, generally speaking.
Having said that I wouldn't object to a rule change in the off-season to eliminate farm signings.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Apr 12, 2009 11:13:00 GMT -5
Hello? Anybody out there? I didn't put this thread up for my own personal amusement...
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Apr 13, 2009 0:52:36 GMT -5
Admit that it amuses you a little bit...
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Apr 13, 2009 7:26:26 GMT -5
Being able to add players to a farm roster during the playoffs can be used to circumvent the "No FA adding to the main" roster rule. For example, if you want to use a prospect on your team during the playoffs, just add them to your farm first. Then when you call them up its "legal," but is essentially just adding them from the FA pool. Granted this doesn't apply to all or most of the transactions that will be made, but I don't think a few weeks is that long of a wait to eliminate this possible loophole.
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Post by Aubrey on Apr 13, 2009 12:22:39 GMT -5
I think free agent includes all players, but the rule doesn't state whether signing is not allowed only to the roster or also the farm team. If I was reading this rule outside of this threat, I would take it as no player can be signed to either the roster or the farm team, but it is ambiguous.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Apr 13, 2009 17:21:32 GMT -5
I get what Phils argument against but IMO I think that if anyone worth picking up on the playoffs would be a player that would have to pass through waivers therefore anyone would be able to grab him even after they tried to call them up so I think it would be ok.
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Apr 13, 2009 17:42:59 GMT -5
Anyone would be able to grab them? I don't understand. I add a prospect that is playing in the NHL to my farm team, a recent call up or some one that is going on a little streak. This is very plausible and happens all the time. Then I call them up to my main roster, therefore circumventing the "No FA signing" rule. At what point do they have to pass through waivers?
This was my point about locking rosters when we created this new rulebook. That is the only way to eliminate these little loopholes, but I went with allowing call ups based on injuries because that is a real shitty way to lose in the playoffs, and if you have the players to call up in the event of injury then its only fair to allow that. But, as we've seen two years in a row now, that isn't always the case. It is manipulated and abused regardless of the rule's intent or good sportsmanship. Every measure to protect the fairness and sanctity of the playoffs must be taken. "Streaming" is not limited to the adding of several players or calling up and sending down the same players repeatively. Any add action thats sole purpose is to give you an advantage merely by number of games played is streaming and unethical in my opinion, and this rule would eliminate yet another way in which this could be done.
Farm roster moves are already locked the day after the playoffs start till June 1st. I don't see any big inconvenience in extending that to include the actual playoffs. Basically, extending the lock time has no ill effect on the league but allowing farm aquisitions during the playoffs presents, as seen this year, the possibility of unfairly affecting playoff match-ups.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Apr 13, 2009 19:39:30 GMT -5
Anyone would be able to grab them? I don't understand. I add a prospect that is playing in the NHL to my farm team, a recent call up or some one that is going on a little streak. This is very plausible and happens all the time. Then I call them up to my main roster, therefore circumventing the "No FA signing" rule. At what point do they have to pass through waivers? This was my point about locking rosters when we created this new rulebook. That is the only way to eliminate these little loopholes, but I went with allowing call ups based on injuries because that is a real shitty way to lose in the playoffs, and if you have the players to call up in the event of injury then its only fair to allow that. But, as we've seen two years in a row now, that isn't always the case. It is manipulated and abused regardless of the rule's intent or good sportsmanship. Every measure to protect the fairness and sanctity of the playoffs must be taken. "Streaming" is not limited to the adding of several players or calling up and sending down the same players repeatively. Any add action thats sole purpose is to give you an advantage merely by number of games played is streaming and unethical in my opinion, and this rule would eliminate yet another way in which this could be done. Farm roster moves are already locked the day after the playoffs start till June 1st. I don't see any big inconvenience in extending that to include the actual playoffs. Basically, extending the lock time has no ill effect on the league but allowing farm aquisitions during the playoffs presents, as seen this year, the possibility of unfairly affecting playoff match-ups. I tend to agree. We need some further rule changes to close up this ambiguous shit. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Apr 13, 2009 19:45:32 GMT -5
One more thing, are minor leaguers free to move from roster to farm without waiver clearance after the roster 'freeze'? I have claims in for a bunch of players to prevent them going to the farm but if this is cleared up I'll remove the claims.
Seems like in an effort to clear up the league of any ambiguity the new rulebook has created more loopholes...
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Apr 13, 2009 19:59:04 GMT -5
If you claim a player from waivers you must use a roster spot in order to keep them. "No waivers" is not in effect until after keepers are submitted on June 1. You are free to claim these players to prevent them from going to the farm, but unless you use a keeper slot on them they will be thrown into the pool of available players in the upcoming Waiver Draft.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Apr 13, 2009 21:59:20 GMT -5
What I was that if they are being called up to the farm they'd have to pass through waivers. at least thats how i understood it. Correct me if im wrong.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Apr 13, 2009 22:56:20 GMT -5
If you claim a player from waivers you must use a roster spot in order to keep them. "No waivers" is not in effect until after keepers are submitted on June 1. You are free to claim these players to prevent them from going to the farm, but unless you use a keeper slot on them they will be thrown into the pool of available players in the upcoming Waiver Draft. Here's what I want to do though, I'm claiming all of the players that are minor leaguers to prevent them from going to a team's farm. I don't want to keep any of these players, I just want them to go back into the waiver draft as opposed to being kept on someone else's farm for free. Here are the claims I've put in so everybody knows... # Waiver 1: Todd Bertuzzi for Anton Babchuk pending until Apr 14 - [ details - edit priority ] # Waiver 2: Joe Sakic for Sam Gagner pending until Apr 15 - [ details - edit priority ] # Waiver 3: Antti Miettinen for Denis Grebeshkov pending until Apr 15 - [ details - edit priority ] # Waiver 4: Mikael Samuelsson for Carlo Colaiacovo pending until Apr 15 - [ details - edit priority ] I'd put in a claim for Peverley too but he hasn't been dropped and Derrick has said he can't be sent down now. As you can see I'm dropping players that I don't want to keep but I also don't want to keep any of these players. This is just to circumvent any 'free keepers' for other clubs that are trying to send down minor leaguers. Just making my intentions known. Is this fine? |
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Apr 13, 2009 23:03:31 GMT -5
If you claim a player from waivers you must use a roster spot in order to keep them. "No waivers" is not in effect until after keepers are submitted on June 1. You are free to claim these players to prevent them from going to the farm, but unless you use a keeper slot on them they will be thrown into the pool of available players in the upcoming Waiver Draft. Wrong. |
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on Apr 13, 2009 23:04:41 GMT -5
If you claim a player from waivers you must use a roster spot in order to keep them. "No waivers" is not in effect until after keepers are submitted on June 1. You are free to claim these players to prevent them from going to the farm, but unless you use a keeper slot on them they will be thrown into the pool of available players in the upcoming Waiver Draft. Here's what I want to do though, I'm claiming all of the players that are minor leaguers to prevent them from going to a team's farm. I don't want to keep any of these players, I just want them to go back into the waiver draft as opposed to being kept on someone else's farm for free. Here are the claims I've put in so everybody knows... # Waiver 1: Todd Bertuzzi for Anton Babchuk pending until Apr 14 - [ details - edit priority ] # Waiver 2: Joe Sakic for Sam Gagner pending until Apr 15 - [ details - edit priority ] # Waiver 3: Antti Miettinen for Denis Grebeshkov pending until Apr 15 - [ details - edit priority ] # Waiver 4: Mikael Samuelsson for Carlo Colaiacovo pending until Apr 15 - [ details - edit priority ] I'd put in a claim for Peverley too but he hasn't been dropped and Derrick has said he can't be sent down now. As you can see I'm dropping players that I don't want to keep but I also don't want to keep any of these players. This is just to circumvent any 'free keepers' for other clubs that are trying to send down minor leaguers. Just making my intentions known. Is this fine? No, it is not fine. |
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.