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Post by bengoavs on Aug 31, 2006 4:06:05 GMT -5
I'm outta here. It's all about fun and I'm not having any.
Tryed to convince myself that maybe after all the logistic part will end it will be a good league but I'm not convinced. It started with Steve and went on with the Jets owner. Quitting is selfish, but at least I tryed and it's better now than when the season starts.
Sure you will find someone to take over my team who will be more apathetic. Maybe he will even give you Nash for a few draft picks.
Have fun, and forgive my selfishness...
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 31, 2006 5:53:56 GMT -5
you cant quit whereas youve already registered in the yahoo league. you cant be kicked out, just locked and im not setting your roster and making moves for you all year. it is impossible to bring in a new manager at this point unless an entirely new league is created and i dont even know if thats possible at this point.
it wouldnt be a bad idea to take some time off however, that goes for some of the rest of you too. calling eaves and semin garbage is absolutely ridiculous and doesnt exactly make your hockey knowledge stand out. With that time you might be able to do a little research and get a better grasp on fantasy sports, especially keeper leagues. everyone seems to just look at player names, not situations or take into account personal preference.You cant cry mutiny on my part however. A promising prospect is already good. he can only get better. calling a player "trash and garbage" is strictly personal opinion, that goes for every player. this alone DOES NOT regulate "value." I dont care how much you dislike a guy or think he will bust. scouts abound, stats, and credentials cant all be wrong, however one man can be. especially one who is already biased in his ways.
however unprofessional this post sounds, i think its about time that it come to light. I strive to make this league as realistic as possible without enforcing a cap limit. IF ANY GIVEN TEAM WANTS TO DO A TRADE SO BE IT, ITS HIS TEAM. as long as there isnt player dumping or blatant cheating its fair game whether you or i or anybody likes it. Ill take a manager with a sub par team who is activate and trying to have fun and trying to better his team (no matter what method) over one who is "boring" stacked roster and just lolligags his way through the year taking whatever in stride. why do you care what one does with their team anyway? its not hurting your team any. youre players arent going anywhere, yore not getting the shaft. face it, a "veto" is just another manager mad because they were beaten to the punch, OR they want to play god.
briere for a 1st overall prospect??? cammy for 3 prospect picks and khabibulin??!?! WOW did those trades get veteod? no. i would have loved to be apart of any of those deals, but i wasnt. i missed out, i took it in stride. now when its "my turn" everyone seems to be quitting the second something happens they dont like or the second they miss out on a trade. If this is you, maybe the league is better off without you anyway. im looking for knowlegable individuals who are dedicated. that goes for anyone.
i let the league run its course, i update everything and provide you with the most convienant up to date info, threads, rosters, and posts; practically babysit some of you. now you want to quit?? how insulting. this isnt the first claim however. ive recieved threats of "ive this trade (thornton) goes through i quit the league." as well as "if this trade (thornton) doesnt go through im done with the league." so i ask all of you, since you LOVE to vote on things and voice your opinions...what is it than i am to do, how do you solve this one gods?
face it, EVERY trade that is done is done for a reason. each person in the deal thinks they are getting the better end. trades that dont get veteod you just so happen to agree with, and trades that do get veteod you dont agree with. with this principle what are we teaching? that we want the majority of fantasy players to manage "their" (and i use that term loosely) the exact same way? they have to value players all the same? thats why there are so many "sleepers" out there for the taking year to year in regular leagues because so many people are uneducated and unwilling to take the "chance." THATS whats boring, not this league. its nice to see guys break out each season. its even nicer when you go to pick those guys up and they are already on a team. "good call man," you say. really shows you know your stuff. im not impressed so much with late FA signings. any dope can click on a game log and see a guy tearing it up then add him.
this league has been fun so far and it has a bright future. that i can promise you. as the season goes on im looking to get a bit more interactive, but thats for another discussion.
regarding the thornton trade, let me ask you something? before last season, would you have traded a combination of these 3: ryan miller or henrik lundqvist/eric staal/thomas vanek/marek svatos/ any rookie or prospect that "broke out" for joe thornton??? yes, more than likely you would.
now, flash forward one year later and try to make the same trade. no way do you trade lundqvist, staal, and svatos for joe thornton. see my point?
if we wait around to see if these players do in fact meet expectations, or surpass expecatations im obviously not going to do the trade. it would be stupid on my part. its a risk/reward deal on both ends.
YES, semin and eaves have the potential to put up numbers equal to staal and svatos, if not more total. (last year vs. next year) this is not up for debate, neither you nor i set these "rules." i dont even know why i have to explain this. i guess "upside" means nothing. if you cant trade players who have a high ceiling whats the point of drafting awesome prospects in the first place? bragging rights? I bet if i sent ovechkin and brodeur his way for thornton, that trade wouldnt get veteod. you know why? because it involves "superstars" and thats all the simple mind needs to see to be satisfied. that trade is far and beyond worse than the current thornton trade, but i guess that speaks for the nature of the league.
in closing, feel free to post your comments, opinons, etc. anybody else who wants to jump ship now and quit the league feel free to. this league will live and carry on. im not going to beg and plead with you stay because its not my nature. nothing is wrong here, i try to make this league as detailed and as fun as possible, if you cant see and appreciate that then i really dont feel like spending the effort on you. if you dont have any thicker skin then whats been shown i suggest you grow some or you wont survive. its fantasy hockey, youre not going to agree everything, youre not going to like everyone, and youre not going to win every year. its those little decisions that decide who is a champion and who is going home. we are all here to have fun, and that we will, so whoever is down, lets get down. others....find a new home.
P.S. nobody wants nash.
P.S.S. since you repeatedly make an effort to bash the jets GM, i want it on record that against you one on one, ill take the jets GM anyday in an overall hockey/fantasy hockey knowledge skills competition.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 31, 2006 10:58:12 GMT -5
Amen Brother
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Post by patriot0103 on Aug 31, 2006 11:40:42 GMT -5
My only opinion is that if people say they want out if a trade goes through or they want out if it doesn't, that is simply ridiculous and we're better off without those people anyways. Not everyone here can have ever single thing go the way they want, which is no different than in real life sports.
I just think we need a clear rule on how we will handle trades in the future so these controversies don't continue.
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Post by patriot0103 on Aug 31, 2006 11:49:28 GMT -5
I'm outta here. It's all about fun and I'm not having any. Tryed to convince myself that maybe after all the logistic part will end it will be a good league but I'm not convinced. It started with Steve and went on with the Jets owner. Quitting is selfish, but at least I tryed and it's better now than when the season starts. Sure you will find someone to take over my team who will be more apathetic. Maybe he will even give you Nash for a few draft picks. Have fun, and forgive my selfishness... #1)How is this before you start. Last I checked you just did quite a few rounds of drafts. #2) This should have nothing to do with Steve, he's gone for a reason, I thought this problem was solved #3)Your problem with the Jets owner is just retarded. You might have differing opinions, but get over it already, just because he values certain players differently than you doesn't mean either of you is wrong. Hell, remember my arguments with Derrick on the old board? I don't even remember how they started or what they were about. Disprepancy is fine because people will disagree, but seriously get over it...I mean your gonna quit because you dislike one of the owners. Wow, grow up, your not going to get along with everyone all the time, and you act like he single handedly ruined the league. #4) I don't really care if you quit at all, just throwing in my opinion. A replacement can be found rather easily, and I have an email address where we can get the yahoo id's switched to the new owner. Better off without someone that doesn't want to stick around anyways. |
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Aug 31, 2006 13:47:33 GMT -5
I'm outta here. It's all about fun and I'm not having any. Tryed to convince myself that maybe after all the logistic part will end it will be a good league but I'm not convinced. It started with Steve and went on with the Jets owner. Quitting is selfish, but at least I tryed and it's better now than when the season starts. Sure you will find someone to take over my team who will be more apathetic. Maybe he will even give you Nash for a few draft picks. Have fun, and forgive my selfishness... Well, its a shame you're leaving but I don't think you gave the league a chance. The Steve issue is unrelated to whats going on now and I think that his lack of responsibilty and failure as a commish should'nt be looked at as a bad thing, rather look at it like we found a pretty solid commish (Derrick) instead. Things will work itself out. Just like democracy, things don't always go smoothly but they work themselves out in the end. You're missing out if you quit so early. PS I like Nash and would gladly want him on my team. |
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Post by edformer jets on Aug 31, 2006 15:06:15 GMT -5
Sorry guys, It's me ED the former jets owner. I have been away for a couple of weeks (August) and yes I did check in from time to time but never logged in (what an idiot)
I see that someone else is the jets and I respect why it was done, however if there is anyway I can be part of this league let me know and I'll register.
Once again, it was all my fault and basically I was stoopid for not logging in and reading my messages.....
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 31, 2006 15:24:04 GMT -5
Sorry guys, It's me ED the former jets owner. I have been away for a couple of weeks (August) and yes I did check in from time to time but never logged in (what an idiot) I see that someone else is the jets and I respect why it was done, however if there is anyway I can be part of this league let me know and I'll register. Once again, it was all my fault and basically I was stoopid for not logging in and reading my messages..... good ol Ed... we will have to see how things shape up here in the next several days. i am not sure if this is offical resignation or just being caught up in the "moment." awaiting confirmation and to see how many others (if any) follow suit. youll be hearing from us her at NAFHL enterprises shortly if there is a resignation. contract details to be discussed.  |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 31, 2006 22:30:33 GMT -5
If you want out, get out. No biggie. Better sooner than later I guess, because if this were to happen mid-season then it would be a huge pain in the ass. I think the league has been starting to come together over the last little while, but yes there are issues and if you have a serious problem with them then I guess you can pack your bags like you've opted to do. Personally, I think contraversy is half the fun of fantasy sports. If you see it differently then that's fine, but I think things will only get better from here.
Regarding the Thornton trade. I don't like it as I have already said. To me, Derrick's scenario makes sense, but I see this trade more comparable to trading Sidney Crosby for Evgeni Malkin; proven talent for hyped up talent than can't even compare if they all hit their peak in their rookie/sophmore seasons. But honestly, I don't care anymore (regarding the trade). To Chris's credit, he did not draft this team so he never had the chance to pick up some late round sleepers, and he never said that he wanted Joe Thornton in the first place. I think the trade's still garbage (actually 2nd on my list of all time bad trades), but if it goes through it goes through, I won't lose any sleep over it.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 31, 2006 23:40:14 GMT -5
Thank you for someone finally NICELY making there point....at no point in his post did he call anyone an idiot or basically say hey this guy knows shit about hockey.....thanks its much appreciated when I agreed to the trade i wasnt looking to make friends and we both figured there would be fuss about it....neither of us expected this though. As for Ben....if you feel you gotta get out or that im ruining the leauge im sorry to hear that man thats not what im here to do im here having fun. The trade was to make my team better in the long run. Kinda the same thing Boston did when they traded Thorton away make there team better maybe not this season but next and look at them there sittin pretty right now going into next season....if we dont hear from you anymore its been real ben take it easy
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Post by patriot0103 on Sept 2, 2006 23:08:55 GMT -5
Thank you for someone finally NICELY making there point....at no point in his post did he call anyone an idiot or basically say hey this guy knows shit about hockey.....thanks its much appreciated when I agreed to the trade i wasnt looking to make friends and we both figured there would be fuss about it....neither of us expected this though. As for Ben....if you feel you gotta get out or that im ruining the leauge im sorry to hear that man thats not what im here to do im here having fun. The trade was to make my team better in the long run. Kinda the same thing Boston did when they traded Thorton away make there team better maybe not this season but next and look at them there sittin pretty right now going into next season....if we dont hear from you anymore its been real ben take it easy You didn't just justify the real life Thornton trade...you didn't...you couldn't have...you wouldn't have... |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 3, 2006 1:21:00 GMT -5
You didn't just justify the real life Thornton trade...you didn't...you couldn't have...you wouldn't have...  hahaha, well.. that's a different situation all together because of different depth charts, salary issues, non-fantasy contributions, etc. but on a basic level I can see what he's getting at. |
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Post by canucksgm on Sept 8, 2006 22:18:56 GMT -5
so do we have a new owner yet?
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hahaha, well.. that's a different situation all together because of different depth charts, salary issues, non-fantasy contributions, etc. but on a basic level I can see what he's getting at.
So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.