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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 7, 2022 8:08:20 GMT -5
Not that I have a problem with this whatsoever but...if you're going to do this now, why not go back and do this for all of the weeks that were impacted in some way by negligent managers including Chris - Capitals himself? If we're talking 'fair play' after all. Chris - Capitals has not been playing with a full roster for basically the entire season, be it rostering fewer than 19 players or not utilizing the IR/IR+ slots, I've even privately spoken to him about it and his roster has remained unchanged. Scott - Maple Leafs has also been inactive and hasn't set his lines for multiple weeks in a row even, I was noticing. Other managers have also been negligent but these two managers have had the most glaring offenses and surprise, surprise, they're the bottom 2 teams. I know other shit gets in the way, people have other things on their mind, but if we're truly looking to be fair there's more work to do. The Sacko needs to be a thing.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 7, 2022 14:25:00 GMT -5
Not that I have a problem with this whatsoever but...if you're going to do this now, why not go back and do this for all of the weeks that were impacted in some way by negligent managers including Chris - Capitals himself? If we're talking 'fair play' after all. Chris - Capitals has not been playing with a full roster for basically the entire season, be it rostering fewer than 19 players or not utilizing the IR/IR+ slots, I've even privately spoken to him about it and his roster has remained unchanged. Scott - Maple Leafs has also been inactive and hasn't set his lines for multiple weeks in a row even, I was noticing. Other managers have also been negligent but these two managers have had the most glaring offenses and surprise, surprise, they're the bottom 2 teams. I know other shit gets in the way, people have other things on their mind, but if we're truly looking to be fair there's more work to do. The Sacko needs to be a thing. You're not wrong. But there are some key differences that went into this decision. 1.) Timing and 2.) Unusualness. While it is not an excuse, Chris and Scott have "consistently" had glaring offenses for a number of weeks against multiple teams in the league at times when it was unclear how dramatic of an impact their actions might have on the standings. Coal has generally been consistent in at least setting his lineup, so for an entire week to pass without doing so against and opponent at the bottom of the league in the last few weeks of the season is not only extremely visible, but also suspect. Not sure what is going on, but I hope all is well. While I can not retroactively set the Kraken lineup, I have started to manually set the lineup for this week in the interim. With that said, rostering 18 players for this season isn't the worst strategy in the world given the nature of COVID where statuses change minute to minute. Sometimes having an open roster spot is the difference in being able to move a guy to and/or off IR+ at a moments notice and having him available to play same night. As for Scott, we had a private discussion and consistency with setting his lineup has not been an issue since to my knowledge. This season (and last) has been particularly difficult to remain engaged with the league because of COVID and setting lineups goes along with that. I have been very vocal about not enjoying the COVID era of hockey and not being as engaged or dialed in as I have been in the past. That sentiment is infectious and has had league wide implications. It would be hypocritical for me to chastise others for lack of interest when I was on autopilot for much of the middle of this season myself. However, I am holding myself accountable now, and I expect the same from everyone else moving forward as we regain some normalcy and get back to business.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Mar 7, 2022 17:14:07 GMT -5
Nos is wrong
For one I've always set my line up. Privately messaging me about my roster and it remaining unchanged? I don't have a single archived message from you Nos other than when you approached me about Koskinen after the discussion was had in the shoutbox about COVID issues. Not utilizing IR/IR+ slots? My understanding of the IR+ was it was only for Covid so that's the only time I've used it. Otherwise Vrana was filling an IR spot from the start of the season until just over the weekend where I took him off because the thought was he may be playing soon. Couturier has also taken up an IR spot for me for 3 months. Otherwise my team has always been full you just don't agree with some of my moves or lack of at times. During the Covid discussion you mentioned players that I could drop and wouldn't be picked up, you can't possibly know that. You may not pick them up but that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't without the same roster depth that you have. So I didn't drop some players and try to gain additional skater starts because I didn't want to lose said player to another team.
You act as if I'm actively tanking in order to stack the deck against some others in the league when that simply isn't the case. This shit is getting old I hold some pieces I'm impacting league standings and need to have stats retroactively changed. I make a trade and it's I shouldn't have made that trade it makes no sense. This "consitently had glaring offenses" in my case is a sham IMO. Sure the goaltending minimum start issue may slightly impact point totals but it's not some huge impact to the standings that you make it out to be Nos. The available goaltending options on the FA market weren't that great and not only that there is no saying they would have started either as that changes daily. Sure I could have sat the day before games and attempted to pick up a goalie that may start the next night but if they don't start I'm in the same boat and lost a piece in order to pick that goaltender up. Not only that but here's what those lost goalie stats change:
Week 5 vs Sharks no change due to having me handily beat in all goaltending categories (exception to wins) Week 6 vs Leafs getting 4 more points due to W and SO Week 7 vs Canucks getting 2 more points due to SO (maybe wins) Week 8 vs Kraken Neither of us made minimum requirements so no impact Week 10 vs Sens categories were close but with less than minimum starts unsure Week 11 vs Ducks Neither of us made minimum requirements so no impact
If anything it impacted me and Derrick's matchup in week 10 otherwise it's not this huge black eye you make it out to be. I'm continually looking for ways to improve my team and not just simply wait things out but most around here have only given me that option because the trades that actually would impact positive movement aren't out there. I'm stuck getting Toews for a 4th round waiver, Ehlers for 2 B level prospects, Kuznetsov for late waiver picks.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 7, 2022 17:53:56 GMT -5
A lot to unpack here. Not my place to decide who’s tanking or not paying attention to their rosters. I will say that Goaltenders especially have been a problem but there are some certain limitations as well. I’m sure Washington Toronto Seattle any team struggling to make starts is at least putting effort to find starts. If you look around the league though there are many backups 3rd 4th even 5th string goalies being held and stuck on farm teams….. In a league as deep as ours I understand that is good planning by certain GM’s but also holds hostage the teams with injury or COVID issues in net. Not setting your roster day to day if it becomes a consistent problem is already grounds for removal after a warning level limit reached by the commissioners discretion. I personally lost 2 categories with the whole Tuuka Rask fiasco. Never once asked for a reversal of category points. We should address the level of interest from GM’s not taking care of their rosters and move on from anyone not prepared to participate to the level this league requires.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 7, 2022 18:06:48 GMT -5
By analyzing the situation and talking yourself through it, I think you arrived at the true underlying issue of the narrative. If anything it impacted me and Derrick's matchup in week 10 otherwise it's not this huge black eye you make it out to be.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Mar 7, 2022 21:41:09 GMT -5
but if we're truly looking to be fair there's more work to do. In the spirit of fairness, why is it then you're utilizing a covid IR slot for a non-Covid related player injury? You even made it clear in your voting on the IR+ slot that you felt that "I believe the best option would be to keep the 2 IR slots we already have and add the extra IR/O/NA slot due to Covid Protocol." How many points should be stripped from you due to your negligence that allowed you to obtain additional skater starts while you still were able to protect your asset?
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 7, 2022 22:18:31 GMT -5
Chris, bud-dy, I'm not against you at all here. In fact, I'm the only one who has shown you support and encouragement, knowing you have skills that can drastically improve your team. You completed a pretty solid trade with Tyler - Jets recently. Beautiful add of DeBrusk. The message I'm talking about is the last message in the 'Goalie Trade' discussion we had notifying you that you had 18 players rostered and that you could add another. I don't agree with Derrick saying rostering 18 players is a 'strategy'. As far as the IR slots, sure I've done this same thing trying to anticipate a return, a return of a major impact player mind you, but once that passes I'll add a player to make up for the lost game. I'm not going to sit there with 18 players on my roster for the majority of the year. Chris, if you've always set your lineup you wouldn't have 18 players on your roster consistently or IR/IR+ slots not utilized, or a huge list of weeks where you didn't meet goaltending requirements, right? These are all aspects of setting your lineup. Imagine if you had a full roster and met goaltending starts every week, how many extra points would you have? 20-35 maybe? The discussion about the IR+ spot being used period, not just for COVID related issues, was had earlier in this thread when I spoke out about COVID being just one health issue among a myriad of others. Derrick replied shortly after this in agreement without being explicit mind you. No further clarification has been issued with multiple managers utilizing the slot for any eligible player. I don't think you're actively tanking either, I just don't think you've utilized everything you possibly could have and if points are going to be issued manually they should be issued consistently over the entire season or it wouldn't be fair because it wasn't consistent. This is the first time this has ever been done, without league wide approval as well, so let's make sure we're consistent. This is how we can operate in the future but over the entire season, it might be something to discuss in the off-season rather than right now. Like Tyler - Jets mentioned, he lost out on 4 points because of an illegal move. There was far more reason to issue points back to Tyler than in this instance. It's irrelevant whether anything was actually impacted because it could have been. I don't buy it anyway, the team that's most impacted is your own Chris. I also hope Coal is doing well, he hasn't been able to be reached yet. COVID has played a minor role, things have actually been better than even I expected, there was a time around the holidays where there was a spike likely due to players foolishly, in my opinion, getting together with multiple groups of people, friends and family. Since then COVID has been a non-issue. Derrick, , I hope you're joking with that 'true underlying issue of the narrative' comment...you must be! If not, I'm 49 points ahead of you, I've defeated you twice for a combined score of 15-5...adding an extra 8 points between us is not on my mind. The true narrative here is that I want everybody to be at their absolute best!
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 8, 2022 19:53:55 GMT -5
Derrick, , I hope you're joking with that 'true underlying issue of the narrative' comment...you must be! If not, I'm 49 points ahead of you, I've defeated you twice for a combined score of 15-5...adding an extra 8 points between us is not on my mind. This post will not age well.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 8, 2022 20:42:49 GMT -5
Does anyone know Coal personally to check in on him or are we at the point where the League needs to take over the daily operations for the Kraken??
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 19, 2022 20:20:33 GMT -5
Do we not have player streaming rules??? There are FA being added and dropped everyday. Just curious if I’m missing something and should be utilizing these sketchy tactics.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Mar 19, 2022 21:03:25 GMT -5
Do we not have player streaming rules??? There are FA being added and dropped everyday. Just curious if I’m missing something and should be utilizing these sketchy tactics. Clarify. If you're referring to Gourde and Pearson who were added and dropped on the same day to free agency, that doesn't count, they were actually never on the teams. I added Källgren for tonight to make goalie appearances as my third start. Players are being added due to injuries.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 19, 2022 21:45:49 GMT -5
It's called going hard in the paint. Are you referring to Kyle - Devils making 2 moves in your week? Making 2 moves isn't 'streaming'. Streaming is also a strategic tactic used in Fantasy Hockey. The whole 'no streaming' thing is a total joke. All it does is make managers inactive and/or afraid to make moves. I have a big problem with managers being inactive, not with managers going hard in the paint.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 19, 2022 21:55:35 GMT -5
Minor leaguers I have no problem with it’s FA being added and dropped in the same week to get more overall skater starts. Washington and New Jersey have added multiple FA this week alone? This is not meant to call anyone one out I’m generally curious because player streaming in our league has been a problem in the past to achieve more GP in a certain week especially nearing the playoffs.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 19, 2022 21:56:58 GMT -5
I understand that perspective too and if there are no rules against this then I will just step up my FA game and try to rotate as many starts as possible if I feel the player has a better matchup.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Mar 19, 2022 22:43:38 GMT -5
Minor leaguers I have no problem with it’s FA being added and dropped in the same week to get more overall skater starts. Washington and New Jersey have added multiple FA this week alone? This is not meant to call anyone one out I’m generally curious because player streaming in our league has been a problem in the past to achieve more GP in a certain week especially nearing the playoffs. Multiple adds? I picked up and dropped Pearson and he was never on my roster?
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 20, 2022 1:12:40 GMT -5
Okay okay guys chill lol I was asking a question I’ve got it.
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Post by Kyle - Devils on Mar 20, 2022 4:32:39 GMT -5
What multiple adds are you even talking about? Gourde never made a start and was only brought in because of an injury. Which was replaced with Sheary because well Yanni Gourde is on the Kraken and i shoulda never signed him. Dropping Backlund is hardly streaming when hes been on your team for 19 days. I think someones feeling the playoff heat....
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Apr 4, 2022 11:01:18 GMT -5
Just a quick reminder as we head into the playoffs. Also note, Rule B includes players who are on waivers prior to and during the playoffs. Rule D also includes players designated O and NA. Rule E does not apply to teams with byes in the first round, only during the first round. The playoffs officially start at the puck drop of the first game Monday, April 4, 2022.
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Post by Kyle - Devils on May 5, 2022 11:36:17 GMT -5
Week 19 3g, 6a, -3, 23 PIM, 2 PPP, 0 SHP, 1 GWG, 33 SOG +4 points Kraken -4 points Capitals In the spirit of fair play, please be advised that the following stat corrections will be applied manually to the Washington Capitals/Seattle Kraken week 19 matchup and will be reflected in the final season standings/playoff seeding should they be impacted. 6 categories were not impacted, 2 categories were and have been bolded above. I wanted to put this out there now so we can get ahead of it and not have controversy come draft time. This would switch Leafs and Capitals to 11th and 12th respectively and would affect the entry draft order.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on May 5, 2022 15:09:50 GMT -5
Week 19 3g, 6a, -3, 23 PIM, 2 PPP, 0 SHP, 1 GWG, 33 SOG +4 points Kraken -4 points Capitals In the spirit of fair play, please be advised that the following stat corrections will be applied manually to the Washington Capitals/Seattle Kraken week 19 matchup and will be reflected in the final season standings/playoff seeding should they be impacted. 6 categories were not impacted, 2 categories were and have been bolded above. I wanted to put this out there now so we can get ahead of it and not have controversy come draft time. This would switch Leafs and Capitals to 11th and 12th respectively and would affect the entry draft order. I lost points based on that not gained so standings were not impacted. I lost 4 points which would have had me finish still in 11th with 224 instead of 220 Edit: Derrick was this applied already or does it still need to be applied??
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