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Post by Mark - Bruins on Feb 24, 2013 1:20:14 GMT -5
i vote carolina only because at the time the rules stated they can only be on development team for up to 10 games. Lol. Does anyone else find it ironic that Glenn votes against me, but gets into a similar situation with Matt Read that ends with him keeping his player? I wonder if he still feels the same way now  |
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 24, 2013 3:43:08 GMT -5
i vote carolina only because at the time the rules stated they can only be on development team for up to 10 games. Lol. Does anyone else find it ironic that Glenn votes against me, but gets into a similar situation with Matt Read that ends with him keeping his player? I wonder if he still feels the same way now Except that you already did the same thing (abused development teams) a year ago and you were warned about it then. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 24, 2013 10:31:22 GMT -5
Who did you vote for Derrick? Return Galchenyuk to Boston (based on my findings earlier in the thread). |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 25, 2013 13:14:41 GMT -5
Still waiting on one GM to vote...
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Feb 26, 2013 20:55:49 GMT -5
It's been 10 days and still we have people that haven't voted......this is sad
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Feb 27, 2013 1:06:33 GMT -5
It's been 10 days and still we have people that haven't voted......this is sad Shocker alert: people have a life outside this league & the website  |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 27, 2013 1:25:47 GMT -5
It's been 10 days and still we have people that haven't voted......this is sad Shocker alert: people have a life outside this league & the website Protip: You can have a life and still check in on the league for 5 minutes every day. I don't buy 'having a life' as a legit excuse for ducking your responsibilities in this league. It likely echoes personal traits associated with being unscrupulous. |
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Post by Hawks on Feb 27, 2013 7:10:06 GMT -5
I am 100% for having a life outside of this league, but 10 days? It takes about 10 minutes to read and understand the issue at hand and to click a vote button (with some complex calculus equations you can break that down to 1 minute per day, not too much to ask IMO).
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Post by Scott - Maple Leafs on Feb 27, 2013 23:22:14 GMT -5
Sorry guys, to be honest I was in vegas for my birthday the past week. The student life has sweeped the bank a bit so I turned off my phone for the week to avoid roaming charges. I am on everyday, the past week was an exception for vacation. Wont happen again.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Feb 28, 2013 1:44:02 GMT -5
Sorry guys, to be honest I was in vegas for my birthday the past week. The student life has sweeped the bank a bit so I turned off my phone for the week to avoid roaming charges. I am on everyday, the past week was an exception for vacation. Wont happen again. Translation: Gambled all my money in Vegas and had to hitchhike home.  |
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Post by Hawks on Feb 28, 2013 7:57:11 GMT -5
Hahaha @ Markus. That roulette will get you every time!
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Mar 1, 2013 13:46:14 GMT -5
So what's the final verdict on this?
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Mar 1, 2013 14:09:42 GMT -5
Wow. I'm just flabbergasted. This is just ridiculous.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 1, 2013 15:52:59 GMT -5
So what's the final verdict on this? 7-5 in favor of Carolina. Duh. But in all seriousness, we have not arrived at the end of this whole ordeal yet. Every GM needed to vote in order for the discussion and poll to be on record, and for talks to further progress. About halfway through this whole incident it occurred to me to that there isn't anything in the rulebook detailing how to handle these sorts of polls. The only rules in the rulebook detail league expansion, and modification of rules, but not the return/claiming of players (or any other issue for that matter). Are we to assume the aforementioned rules apply to the Galchenyuk case? If so, which one? How is it justified if these specific cases aren't detailed in the rulebook? And furthermore, which party needs the 3/4 or 2/3 vote, Carolina or Boston? OR is this a case of "majority wins?" If so, how is THIS method justified if it isn't in the rulebook? Depending on the answers to these questions determines the ultimate fate of Galchenyuk. In a "majority rules" scenario, Carolina would obviously be the owner. In a 2/3 or 3/4 scenario where the onus is on Carolina, Boston would be the owner. Or subsequently if the onus were on Boston, Carolina would be the owner. OR in some other scenario not considered here, either one could be the owner. It is rather ironic how much of an impact the "intent" of "spirit" of something can be. Especially in this situation. How can "intent" be applicable in some cases, but not all. Let us discuss shall we? |
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 1, 2013 19:28:09 GMT -5
I think Carolina should need 9/12 votes to retain Galchenyuk. I think Boston was in the wrong for not making the necessary roster adjustments to avoid this entire issue but don't believe he should be penalized a player of that caliber without 3/4 of league believing he was in the wrong. The development team rules need to be adjusted and strictly enforced. Two years in a row same issues came up with players crossing 10 game limit. We should change the limit or enforce the rule.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Mar 2, 2013 0:17:38 GMT -5
There's no precedent either way in the rules so a rule change will be the result of this debate anyway. I think 100% of the GM's already agreed on the fact that the current rulebook doesn't cover the issue properly. Mark could argue that 3/4 of the votes is needed to change the rules to allow me to retain Galchenyuk, but I can argue that 3/4 of the votes is required for his return because there's nothing said about that in the rulebook. No technical difference what so ever.
What's remarkable though is that the majority of the league think the move was legal and actually my side received 6/9 of the neutral votes, because let's face it, I don't vote against myself and Detroit and Boston aren't going to vote against themselves, are they?
Furthermore Derrick himself said that the moves I made were within the intent of the rules. Whole issue just got blurried by faulty wording.
I don't think there's anything left to debate except what should the new rulebook say on the matter for the future.
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Post by Hawks on Mar 2, 2013 14:37:39 GMT -5
This is a transaction that has already taken place that we are questioning. There for, if anything, it would require a 2/3 vote to reverse the transaction.
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.