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Post by Ryan on Jul 16, 2013 9:42:23 GMT -5
Hey guys,
After speaking with Derrick I have decided to set up a league vote, the Kovalchuk retirement is a painful one, but not a typical retirement, with his quick signing it is difficult to believe that he retired from the NHL for any other reason then to play in Russia.
Do you think I should receive compensation?
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jul 16, 2013 10:02:18 GMT -5
I will say yes you deserve a little compensation.
Along the lines of 2nd waiver comp pick at end of 2nd round. Now Markus has 4 in a row I think at end of second beginning of third so he would have to okay this as well. Just my opinion but this is something that can happen more often now.
Boston didn't receive anything when Radulov bolted either. Lots to weigh into decision.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jul 16, 2013 10:08:24 GMT -5
I thought there was a guideline for the compensation already in the rulebook? Or is it murky because this was "a retirement".
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Post by Hawks on Jul 16, 2013 10:31:42 GMT -5
I think it's murky because he "retired," but he's already gone and signed in the KHL. I think you absolutely deserve to be compensated.
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Post by Glenn - Wild on Jul 16, 2013 10:46:40 GMT -5
I think you deserve it. In my mind he solely left to go play in the KHL. He even said "he did it for russia". So ill vote yes.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jul 16, 2013 11:48:13 GMT -5
12) Miscellaneous (KHL Compensation)
1. If a player is coming off of a season in which he tallied 76 or more points and he signs to play in the KHL, you receive a compensation draft pick after the first round (waiver).
2. If a player is coming off of a season in which he tallied 61 to 75 points and he signs to play in the KHL, you receive a compensation draft pick after the second round (waiver).
3. If a player is coming off of a season in which he tallied 41 to 60 points and he signs to play in the KHL, you receive a compensation draft pick after the third round (waiver).
4. Any players who produced less than this threshold will give no compensation, as the player wasn’t contributing anyway.
5. If the players is a prospect and has not played a maximum of 150 games and was drafted in the prospect draft top 6 picks (within the past 4 seasons) compensation will be a pick at the end of the 1st round in the prospect draft (13th overall).
6. If a Goalie is coming off a season in which he tallied 66+ NHL Games Played and he signs to play in the KHL, you receive a compensation draft pick after the first round (waiver).
7. If a Goalie is coming off a season in which he tallied 50-65 NHL Games Played and he signs to play in the KHL, you receive a compensation draft pick after the second round (waiver).
8. If a Goalie is coming off a season in which he tallied 30-49 NHL Games Played and he signs to play in the KHL, you receive a compensation draft pick after the Third round (waiver).
9. If a Goalie is coming off a season in which he tallied 20-29 NHL Games Played and he signs to play in the KHL, you receive a compensation draft pick after the fourth round (waiver).
10. If the Goalie is a prospect and has not played a maximum of 100 games in a single season and was drafted in the prospect draft top 18 picks (within the past 4 seasons) compensation will be a pick at the end of the 1st or 2nd round in the prospect draft (commissioner discretion).
I think the rule is clear here. It doesn't matter that Kovy jumping to KHL was called a "retirement", that was just a smoke screen anyway. And we of course have to take into account that it was a shortened season.
Kovalchuk had 31 points in 48 possible games so that's a 53 point pace in a full season. If you want to discount injuries it's 31 points in 37 games so a 69 point pace. I don't see why the injuries should be discounted though because he would have been injured for those games no matter if was a full season or not.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 16, 2013 12:23:38 GMT -5
Agreed.. Compensation pick after the 3rd round gets my vote
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jul 16, 2013 12:24:47 GMT -5
Markus has it pretty clear cut here. 3rd round Compensation is my vote too.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 16, 2013 17:14:52 GMT -5
I think this is yet another discrepancy between "intent" and what is actually written. The KHL compensation clause was intended to provide GM's with some sort of reprieve should a prospect (Radulov) or an aging vet (Jagr) decide to jump ship. Never in the history of hockey (and probably never again) has a top 10 skater in the league, in his prime, left millions of dollars on the table (and many years on a contract) and bolted for the KHL (or any other league). To me, this is a very unique situation and should not be bound by a "one size fits all" compensation chart.
Awarding a 3rd round waiver pick as compensation for an elite keeper is a slap in the face. At the very least a pick after the 1st round should be awarded, and if it were entirely up to me, I would award a pick BEFORE the first round. Losing a player like Kovalchuk is crushing to any franchise, not to mention one that is trying to rebuild.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jul 16, 2013 17:24:36 GMT -5
I think this is yet another discrepancy between "intent" and what is actually written. The KHL compensation clause was intended to provide GM's with some sort of reprieve should a prospect (Radulov) or an aging vet (Jagr) decide to jump ship. Never in the history of hockey (and probably never again) has a top 10 skater in the league, in his prime, left millions of dollars on the table (and many years on a contract) and bolted for the KHL (or any other league). To me, this is a very unique situation and should not be bound by a "one size fits all" compensation chart. Awarding a 3rd round waiver pick as compensation for an elite keeper is a slap in the face. At the very least a pick after the 1st round should be awarded, and if it were entirely up to me, I would award a pick BEFORE the first round. Losing a player like Kovalchuk is crushing to any franchise, not to mention one that is trying to rebuild. Agreed. My vote is for a pick before the Waiver Draft even begins. Fuck Kovalchuk!  |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jul 16, 2013 17:31:49 GMT -5
Either that, or Ryan can choose to 'keep' Kovalchuk's rights despite not occupying a roster spot so that if he ever does return Ryan would have first say with where he goes.
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Post by Glenn - Wild on Jul 16, 2013 18:00:15 GMT -5
I do agree it should be higher then 3rd round since he is considered to be an elite player. I will agree with whatever the league decides and won't be opposed whether it be either of the top 2 rounds or before waiver draft even begins
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Post by Ryan on Jul 16, 2013 18:46:42 GMT -5
With it being such a unique situation, I am wanting to see what the league thinks of it, good chance it never happens again, NOS, I agree with you (did I just say that? :S) Fuck Kovalchuk lol
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Jul 16, 2013 21:08:16 GMT -5
Just a 3rd rd waiver pick for one of the elite players in the game during his prime seems a little low, especially considering Kovy is a PPG player for his career (literally, 816 games & 816 points. maybe that's the real reason he's gone!). If you take those stats in line, then Ryan would be due a pick at the end of the 1st rd waiver. Maybe a creative exception could be made if that's not an acceptable answer? It's just my opinion, but I'll defer to however the league interprets the rules.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jul 16, 2013 21:37:26 GMT -5
I think this is yet another discrepancy between "intent" and what is actually written. The KHL compensation clause was intended to provide GM's with some sort of reprieve should a prospect (Radulov) or an aging vet (Jagr) decide to jump ship. Never in the history of hockey (and probably never again) has a top 10 skater in the league, in his prime, left millions of dollars on the table (and many years on a contract) and bolted for the KHL (or any other league). To me, this is a very unique situation and should not be bound by a "one size fits all" compensation chart. Awarding a 3rd round waiver pick as compensation for an elite keeper is a slap in the face. At the very least a pick after the 1st round should be awarded, and if it were entirely up to me, I would award a pick BEFORE the first round. Losing a player like Kovalchuk is crushing to any franchise, not to mention one that is trying to rebuild. Oh I agree with everything you said, I was just stating what the rulebook says on the matter. |
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jul 16, 2013 23:13:41 GMT -5
Ryan deserves something so whatever league thinks is best I will be on board with. Any of us would be in tough spot losing a PPG game guy.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Jul 17, 2013 8:44:40 GMT -5
I think a rule change for a higher compensation is in the best interest of everyone here.
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Post by Hawks on Jul 17, 2013 8:49:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't be opposed to the "new" first overall pick being awarded as compensation for Kovy's departure.
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Post by Robyn - Flames on Jul 17, 2013 12:54:44 GMT -5
As a few others have mentioned, Kovy would def be the #1 pick if he were in the waiver draft. I suggest we award Ryan 1st overall in this years waiver draft.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jul 17, 2013 15:57:32 GMT -5
The general consensus seems to be that Ryan should be awarded "Pick 0" in the Waiver Draft. In order to expedite things, I will go ahead an award him that selection now since the Waiver Draft is quickly approaching.
Ryan - should you choose to accept compensation (and lose the rights to Kovalchuk) post the player you select in this thread at any point before the start of the Waiver Draft.
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.