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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on May 19, 2007 21:41:50 GMT -5
Chris's antics on this forum are well documented. I can't believe that more people haven't spoken out against his unlawful and blatantly unethical actions. I encourage each of you to revisit all the pertenent threads and polls and decide for yourselves if we want a manager like this in our league. Remember that it was his vote that vetoed the original Luongo deal in direct violation of this rules intent:
G) Each GM should be responsible to their trades. If you accepted a trade offer, you can't reverse the trades. THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU ACCEPT AN OFFER.
After vetoing the agreed upon deal, Chris then immediately and magically struck a deal with Nos for the same player. As anyone who read the initial threads regarding the original Luongo deal knows, there were blatant inuendos about possibly better deals for Luongo by Nos. Now while I can't prove this, I am certain that negotiations for this new deal were going on WHILE the other deal was pending. This is unacceptable. And then. for the icing on the cake, Chris's vote vetoed the priginal trade making his new deal possible. My opinion is clear. I hope that all of you think before voting in this poll. My motivations are NOT derived from bitterness, despite what Chris might say. His blatant disregard for this league's rules and his unethical actions speak for themselves.
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Post by Hawks on May 20, 2007 11:25:52 GMT -5
Phil, let it go man Jesus Christ. You're still bitter about a trade that was bound to be vetoed anyways. And once a trade is vetoed, Chris is free to make deals with other players all he wants.
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Post by Andrew on May 20, 2007 12:35:36 GMT -5
I agree with you that I don't like the way the trade was handled, but I don't know if that is reason enough to get rid of him. Anyone in this league that's still motivated enough to stick with their team deserves to stay in my opinion anyway. P.S. How ironic that four people, including me, have posted here and there are only three votes. Great! Keep up your inactivity. For the record, that would be me. When I posted I was in a rush (by the looks of it I was on break) and didn't think about voting in the poll, although my post itself was hardly indecisive. |
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Post by Chris - Capitals on May 20, 2007 21:08:46 GMT -5
All I have to say is wow man...and how pathetic all this I thought was behind us but its obvious that you cant get over a trade that didnt go through in your favor....your pathetic get over it
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on May 21, 2007 2:29:12 GMT -5
Kudos to Andrew for not saying I'm bitter and what not. He seemed to get the point. I am not bitching about the veto of a trade. Trade vetos happen all the time. I think they're gay but to each his own. I am talking about THE WAY it was handled. The poll sat up there for a fucking month waiting for votes. This, in itslf, is unexcusable. But that aside, after the votes were tallied the trade remained undecided. Derrick and Chris were the only ones left to vote. If the trade was to be vetoed, Derrick should have been the one to cast the deciding vote. I blame him for not doing so and allowing the farce to go on for as long as it did. I have made that clear before. However, his actions were not in violation of any league rules and were not unethical. Chris's actions, however, were both of those things.
"Get over it." I love this response. There was no refutation of the arguments i made or the evidence i cited. Isn't it convenient that a deal was made with a league member that blatantly lobbied for Luongo's services while the other deal was pending immediately after CHRIS VETOED the original deal.
His reversal of opinion would have been acceptable under certain circumstances. Say he came on here the day after the trade and said that he was drunk or really tired or just made a mistake. That would have been reasonable and I would have been more than willing to rework the deal or scrap it all together. I want cooperation between league members and to do my part to make this league enjoyable. But....no. He didn't do that. He argued repeatedly in favor of the trade for at least a week. Then, after what i believe to be negotiations with Nos(Idont have proof of this mind you), he comes on and asks the league to veto the trade for him. Unacceptable and in direct violation of the rule I stated above. But he couldn't make a new deal right away, no. He had to wait until the original trade was vetoed which is exactly what happened when CHRIS cast the deciding vote. Then, like magic, a new deal immediately appeared. And I mean immediately.
I have no doubt that the persons that have responded and voted on this thread did not go back through the evidence. They merely dismissed my post as "bitter" or what have you. I guess I should have expected as much. There has been no refutation of my claims and evidence, nor has there been any evidence presented to counter my argument. It's just "Yer stupid and git over it."
I don't trust this man as far as I can throw him. I'll never deal with him again. If the rest of you want to run the risk of being duped by this person, go right ahead.
P.S. How ironic that four people, including me, have posted here and there are only three votes. Great! Keep up your inactivity.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on May 21, 2007 3:38:21 GMT -5
I don't think he should be kicked out.
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Post by patriot0103 on May 21, 2007 9:18:57 GMT -5
Man, I agree with much of what you're saying. It was handled real bad, and you were screwed over...I think most of us know that. You can argue that everyone's just saying get over it, but man, to some extent that's true. It's been how long now? Just let it go, and kick his ass in the season.
You can tell me I'm not arguing against your evidence and didn't go back through the posts to dispute your claim...reason being that I know what you're saying is true, and that your evidence is valid...so I can't counter argue, but still Chris seems to care about his team, and is actually one of the more active GMs in this league. Why don't we let this go already, and if there's problems in the future then take action if necessary. This alone, doesn't quite warrant getting tossed, when you're one of the few active GMs in the league.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on May 21, 2007 11:37:50 GMT -5
Im not going through your post and disecting everything you said because ive tried to fight for what I did in prior post so im not going to try anymore your set that im a cancer for this league and your not hearing any evidence since the trade has been vetoed youve had it out for me and you will continue to have it out for me.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on May 21, 2007 22:44:21 GMT -5
Perhaps we should be focusing as much energy as we are focusing on this matter toward changing and finalizing the rulebook from the ground up so that there wont be any more controversy. A lot of the negative things that happened this past season all could have been avoided had everything been set in stone before the season. I suggest everybody read the now defunct rulebook and propose any changes, subsections or sub rules or any other modification that seems note worthy.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on May 24, 2007 16:06:57 GMT -5
well there's your 7 votes so screw you ass hole
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on May 25, 2007 8:37:35 GMT -5
well there's your 7 votes so screw you ass hole I don't know what importance you think 7 votes has but whatever. |
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Post by Ryan on May 25, 2007 10:12:58 GMT -5
WHO CARES......point is he is not gone as 9 manages voted 8 stated for him to stay....CASE CLOSED(as long as our great commish has reason to relieve Chris of his duties)
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on May 25, 2007 12:19:15 GMT -5
WHO CARES......point is he is not gone as 9 manages voted 8 stated for him to stay....CASE CLOSED(as long as our great commish has reason to relieve Chris of his duties) The point is YOU should care you putz, you and every other manager in this league. Did I really think the league would remove him? No. I was making an attempt to force league memebrs to look at what transpired and how that points to at least what kind of fantasy manager this guy is. And what the hell does our commissioner's opinion have to do with anything? If he finds cause it should be examined but if I do then fuck it? I'm tired of you and every manager like you. Inactive fucks that every once and awhile come on this forum and post like they know something. You aren't a part of this league anymore than the old cashier at the grocery store down the street. See ya. |
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Post by Chris - Capitals on May 25, 2007 21:21:28 GMT -5
If your so tired of the league and the inactive fucks in it why dont you just leave then???
or do you like to bitch and complain all day?
Again with the assult on me just to show what kind of manager I am? get over yourself man
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Post by Phil - Blue Jackets on May 25, 2007 22:04:05 GMT -5
If your so tired of the league and the inactive fucks in it why dont you just leave then??? or do you like to bitch and complain all day? Again with the assult on me just to show what kind of manager I am? get over yourself man I am an ACTIVE manager in this league. I care about what happens in this league and its future. I take initiative t resolve rule disputes. I discuss and debate a multitude of issues important to the operation of ths league not only on this forum but in IMs. I put extra time into this league because I want it to succeed. I hate inactive pieces of shit and deceitful, manipulative liars. And I'm the one that should leave? yeah, OK. As far as I'm concerned, you can follow montreal, pitts, calgary, and vancouver right out the door, chief. |
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Post by Ryan on May 26, 2007 7:50:28 GMT -5
whoa wait now Phil.....i aint going anywhere.........and I said who care to the fact that u said "I don't know what importance you think 7 votes has but whatever."
i care about the league as well.....we have a voting system and you see what the result is.....case closed (again as long as our great commish has any further concerns).......any chance of this thread being closed? as it is now irrelavant (SP) to the league
Ryan
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Post by Derrick - Senators on May 26, 2007 14:18:23 GMT -5
any chance of this thread being closed? as it is now irrelavant (SP) to the league actually yeah, every manager has voted that is still active and up to date on the forum. |
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.