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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 2, 2019 3:20:29 GMT -5
Transaction in question with subsequent commentary can be found HERE. Rule in question: Please redirect any conversation from the Anaheim Ducks Farm Transaction Thread (and any new conversation) here. |
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Post by Jeff - Red Wings on Feb 2, 2019 11:07:49 GMT -5
Hey Derrick I hit Anaheim by mistake, any chance you can switch my vote to Vancouver? Thanks
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Post by Mitch - Ducks on Feb 2, 2019 12:25:58 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. I clearly would not have dropped Meier if I had known he was going to waivers. This situation has happened before and the GM who dropped the guy got him back so I don’t see how this is any different.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 2, 2019 13:20:11 GMT -5
What's ridiculous is having three full days to rectify your mistake and doing nothing about it causing this discussion in the first place. The rulebook is clearly written for all of us to follow, triple check ANY of your players before sending them down period. Day 1 stuff right there.
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Post by Scott - Maple Leafs on Feb 2, 2019 13:31:09 GMT -5
Meier has 19 goals, 27 assists, is 22 yo, and plays on SJ’s top line. Would I want to give another team the opportunity to grab him off waivers? No. I assume this would be the same for other managers as well. This is clearly a mistake, get over it and move on.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 2, 2019 13:47:12 GMT -5
I really hope the league can grow a pair of balls during the offseason to officially abolish this shitty "holding hands babysitting clause" for shitty GMs. No personal offense Mitch but it's embarrassing.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 2, 2019 16:25:34 GMT -5
Hey Derrick I hit Anaheim by mistake, any chance you can switch my vote to Vancouver? Thanks I can not physically change your vote but you have voiced your opinion in the thread and the final numbers will be tallied accordingly. |
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Post by Mitch - Ducks on Feb 2, 2019 20:31:54 GMT -5
If you guys are going to chince me out of one of my top young players I’ll be done at the end of the season. I clearly made a mistake and would’ve never sent him down thru waivers I also would’ve changed it had I seen my farm transactions page before you claimed him but I didn’t see it until it showed the claim on Yahoo. Don’t understand why this is a big deal again, this has happened before.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 2, 2019 23:17:17 GMT -5
This is lame. Bush league shit. The rule is foolish and was implemented illegally to begin with, has caused all sorts of problems and furthered the 'saving' of poor managers. Instead of learning a lesson these weak people keep getting weaker. Instead of being fired, like you should be, for such a bad franchise crippling mistake, are kept around for whatever dumb reason. Laziness. Everybody should have read the NAFHL Constitution top to bottom on Day 1 and revisited it multiple times throughout your tenure as GM. The rule is there for actual physical 'accidents' rather than 'ignorance', or at the very least it should be understood that way. It is still up to the manager in question to realize his mistake himself and contact the Commish. Mitch had the advantage of being told mere hours after the transaction took place and had days to rectify his mistake. He did not. Mitch was online multiple times throughout this period of time, which puts his true intentions in question. If you guys are going to chince me out of one of my top young players I’ll be done at the end of the season. Mitch should be fired immediately for this comment. Any manager who 'threatens' to leave the league should be ousted without second thought. It's pathetic and we don't need you, you need us. Mitch, you have nobody to blame, or be angry with, other than yourself. Be a man. Enough is enough. Timo Meier, unfortunately, is Vancouver Canucks property. |
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Post by Kyle - Devils on Feb 3, 2019 16:38:25 GMT -5
I hate that Timo a yound stud on a top line is lost on such a blatantly shitty move but actions should have consequences otherwise where does it end?
He had ample time and warning to do something about it but didn't, i dont know where to look at whose logged in at what times but that should be a key part of this vote. Not knowing that one of your best players is over the limit is just careless.
He even had time to clear waivers and get picked up by Vancouver, theres just no excuse i can see that would help Anaheims case.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 3, 2019 20:34:40 GMT -5
Hey Derrick I hit Anaheim by mistake, any chance you can switch my vote to Vancouver? Thanks Pretty sure you can uncheckmark your pick and re-select. He had ample time and warning to do something about it but didn't, i dont know where to look at whose logged in at what times but that should be a key part of this vote. You can click into a GM's profile and check their "Last Online". |
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Post by Kyle - Devils on Feb 4, 2019 17:11:52 GMT -5
Hey Derrick I hit Anaheim by mistake, any chance you can switch my vote to Vancouver? Thanks Pretty sure you can uncheckmark your pick and re-select. He had ample time and warning to do something about it but didn't, i dont know where to look at whose logged in at what times but that should be a key part of this vote. You can click into a GM's profile and check their "Last Online". Got it. Thanks. |
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Post by Jacob - Wild on Feb 4, 2019 19:26:40 GMT -5
I’m with Kyle on this one. It’s a horrible situation to be in, for everyone here, but the rules are in place for a reason.
I would however like to make a point thst maybe the rules are not exactly the easiest to interrupt. I have had my fair share of confusion and I’m sure most other GM’s can say the same. If we had a simplified version of these basic rules then maybe this situation would’nt happen again, and if it does then making the difficult decision of declaring Timo Meier “free game” would be black and white.
Regardless of what happens, lets not forget we’re all trying to just have fun here and that there is no need to blatantly call out for the termination of other GM’s. I am going to have to side with Vancouver in this senario based solely on the time taken by Anaheim after the issue was made public.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 4, 2019 20:38:28 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I'm all for having fun but I'm also for having the best competition possible. There are a few buttons I have and one of them is when a manager 'threatens' the entire league with leaving if he doesn't get his way. At the end of the day I want every manager to do well and for the league itself to flourish with activity and competition. This is why I warned Mitch well ahead of time but he was MIA so that's it, he lost the player.
Certain rules can definitely be confusing, unnecessary or ill advised. For instance, the rule where players on your Junior Farm roster clock over 10 games played and are then released to Suspended Waivers. I don't like that players are lost in this way, that's way too harsh of a punishment for organization sake. I've mentioned in the past that I'd rather see a roster freeze should a player clock over 10 games played, like when you have an IR'ed player and he comes off IR, you have to make a decision on that player before you can make any other roster moves. The same could be applied to Junior Farm violations. However, games played for Prospect and Minor Leaguer eligibility should be pretty straight forward and simple enough to follow because you have many more games than 10 to view the player and make a decision on him. It's honestly the first rule you learn when you join the league.
Anyway, the reason I called for his firing wasn't because he couldn't follow the rules, everybody makes mistakes, but rather that he threatened the league with leaving if he didn't get his way and that cannot be a tolerated response and/or tactic. I do think, however, that if a manager makes mistakes of this magnitude often that he should be eventually evaluated and fired for competition sake and for the good of the franchise.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 6, 2019 14:07:53 GMT -5
Still waiting on a couple votes to make this official. You know who you are.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Feb 7, 2019 12:41:34 GMT -5
I've mentioned in the past that I'd rather see a roster freeze should a player clock over 10 games played, like when you have an IR'ed player and he comes off IR, you have to make a decision on that player before you can make any other roster moves. The same could be applied to Junior Farm violations. However, games played for Prospect and Minor Leaguer eligibility should be pretty straight forward and simple enough to follow because you have many more games than 10 to view the player and make a decision on him. It's honestly the first rule you learn when you join the league. . I apologize for my delayed response work has been quite hectic for me lately and I haven't gotten to spend nearly the time that I usually do here. I know it is a bit off topic but I want to point out how much I agree with this portion of Nos post. This is something I feel that we as a league need to bring to the table this off season as a possible improvement really like this suggestion. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 10, 2019 22:20:49 GMT -5
I just wanted to take a moment to thank all the GMs that voiced their opinions in this thread. I felt like there was some nice dialogue with some potential revampings in the offseason. I, for one, look forward to it.
The Vancouver Canucks release Ondrej Palat instead of sending Miro Heiskanen down to make room for Timo Meier. Aaron Dell of course still gets reverted back to the Detroit Red Wings.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 13, 2019 18:16:21 GMT -5
Still waiting on a couple votes to make this official. You know who you are. It's been official for 6 days now, 2/3 league majority as well...not sure what the hold up is for? |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 13, 2019 23:34:30 GMT -5
Still waiting on a couple votes to make this official. You know who you are. It's been official for 6 days now, 2/3 league majority as well...not sure what the hold up is for? I posted that message over a week ago... |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 13, 2019 23:41:59 GMT -5
It's been official for 6 days now, 2/3 league majority as well...not sure what the hold up is for? I posted that message over a week ago... I realize that, my point is the vote has been settled officially 8-4 for 6 days now and I still do not have Timo Meier on my team. |
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.