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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 9, 2021 18:40:34 GMT -5
With the NHL postponing the games of at LEAST 4 more teams and adding multiple other players to the Covid protocol list, I feel as though the situation is ruining the season, and as a result our fantasy league. Chris- Capitals can not even make goalie starts. Colin - Avalanche is playing something like a total of 26 games this week, and so on and so forth. For the sake of integrity and in the spirit of fair play, I am proposing a one year change to the IR slots.
Possible Solutions
Up the number of IR Spots
Keep the same number of IR spots but allow O/NA players to be placed
Up the number of IR Spots AND allow O/NA players to be placed
Please select one option from above. The selection with the most votes will become effective immediately upon poll resolution.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 9, 2021 18:41:23 GMT -5
My only concern with an increase is that we would have to abide by the honor system a little bit. I don't want managers hoarding FA players and using the additional spot/spots in a way they were not intended to be used. But that is neither here nor there and we will cross that bridge if and when we come to it.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Feb 9, 2021 19:09:10 GMT -5
My only concern with an increase is that we would have to abide by the honor system a little bit. I don't want managers hoarding FA players and using the additional spot/spots in a way they were not intended to be used. But that is neither here nor there and we will cross that bridge if and when we come to it. Just wanted to throw this out there quickly. I've always garnered my team as a GM that utilizes every single available roster spot throughout the entire season. It is part of my strategy to see how certain players may pan out, it can be a risky strategy at times, but it is one I often experiment with. Example being my recent addition of Jake DeBrusk to my team on my IR. Aren't IR slots there for every GM to utilize as they see fit within the rules? |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 9, 2021 19:48:26 GMT -5
My only concern with an increase is that we would have to abide by the honor system a little bit. I don't want managers hoarding FA players and using the additional spot/spots in a way they were not intended to be used. But that is neither here nor there and we will cross that bridge if and when we come to it. Just wanted to throw this out there quickly. I've always garnered my team as a GM that utilizes every single available roster spot throughout the entire season. It is part of my strategy to see how certain players may pan out, it can be a risky strategy at times, but it is one I often experiment with. Example being my recent addition of Jake DeBrusk to my team on my IR. Aren't IR slots there for every GM to utilize as they see fit within the rules? I don't think there is a definitive guide to IR slots. It is an ethical debate and comes down to what you are comfortable with as a GM. To me, the "spirit" of the IR spot is to safeguard against being down an already owned player in the event of injury. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 9, 2021 20:19:23 GMT -5
Just because things are going differently doesn't mean the season is being 'ruined', I'm not a fan of this narrative at all. It's something to overcome, an added strategic element. I think this is a great way to alleviate some of the strain these extra missed games are having on teams. I believe the best option would be to keep the 2 IR slots we already have and add the extra IR/O/NA slot due to Covid Protocol.
As far as the 'proper' way to utilize these slots, there is no 'proper' way. They are slots to be used in any way your strategic play dictates. This isn't a question of ethics. If some teams are affected more than others that's just the way it is, an unfortunate circumstance, make adjustments. If you add an IR'ed player to your roster it could be to safeguard against a possible future injury to your active roster, where the IR'ed player could come onto the team to replace an injury. That's being proactive.
Derrick, you were actually the one to teach me this strategic play, I didn't even think to do it before I saw you doing it. Over the years I learned that it was minimally effective and I kind of stopped doing it but it does have the possibility to be effective if you see somebody available who could be worthy down the road and have the space to keep him around without negatively impacting your roster.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 9, 2021 22:06:57 GMT -5
Just because things are going differently doesn't mean the season is being 'ruined', I'm not a fan of this narrative at all. It's something to overcome, an added strategic element. There is absolutely nothing "strategic" about having 12 skater games cancelled in a week because a team who played a team that had a Covid breakout incidentally is scheduled to play those teams later in the week and the postponement isn't announced until the night before. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 9, 2021 22:23:37 GMT -5
Everybody is affected by it, that's the way it is, strategize around it. Make up for it later.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 10, 2021 12:58:54 GMT -5
Everybody is affected by it, that's the way it is, strategize around it. Make up for it later. "Everybody is affected by it" is an unacceptable explanation and should not be used to legitimize a problem. Take any population of people who are "all affected" by systemic racism, economic hardship, domestic violence, HIV, bullying, etc. and ask them if the status quo should remain the same just because they are all affected by the same prevailing problem and see what their responses are. Much less cordial than mine, I can assure you. While those other issues are much more serious than postponed games in fantasy hockey, the parallel still exists and the line of thinking is still just as short-sighted. |
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Feb 10, 2021 17:32:48 GMT -5
I’ve already lost matchups becuase of COVID protocols and I’m sure someone won a week or two because of COVID too. I don’t really see how changing things now by 1extra IR+ slot helps. I understand your logic here but our league has already been affected by postponements and will continue to be for the rest of this COVID shortened season. I voted to add the extra IR+ which will relieve some minor roster issues. I think we’re dealing with COVID within fantasy hockey just like everything else it’s just tough luck on your roster. All of these games will be made up giving the GMs who missed games certain weeks a major advantage in starts for later weeks. I have a feeling things will balance out themselves.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 10, 2021 17:58:04 GMT -5
I think we’re dealing with COVID within fantasy hockey just like everything else it’s just tough luck on your roster. All of these games will be made up giving the GMs who missed games certain weeks a major advantage in starts for later weeks. I have a feeling things will balance out themselves. It sounds good in theory, but that isn't how things will play out in reality. As the number of postponements continue to swell, the majority of the games that will be "made up" will be "made up" on your bench. Alternatively, losing 3 weeks early in the season because of postponements is not equivalent to having a "major advantage" and winning 1 week later in the season when the NHL decides to cram a bunch of games in as a quick fix to start the playoffs on time. They are already on record saying that they do not want to extend the season by any means necessary. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 10, 2021 19:20:19 GMT -5
 Your examples are irrelevant, as you go on to acknowledge, some would even call the comparisons offensive. Those issues have ways of being tackled and I'm absolutely not saying nothing should be done about them, I'm not even saying nothing should be done about these missed games, which is why I think adding this extra slot is a great idea. What I'm saying is, this is the way things are right now, for this season. Unfortunate, but that doesn't mean we should give up and quit. We should do our very best with what we have to work with and that's all we can do. The missed games are akin to injuries, unfortunate, they affect different teams differently and at random. Nobody is immune. Like already stated, and ignored for some reason, the PPD games most likely will not be played on days that are already jam packed. They will be sprinkled throughout the season where there's adequate space to do so, like what they've done with baseball. Similarly, baseball started off poorly with many Covid related postponements and teams being isolated but they later figured it out much better and finished the season just fine. For instance, today has just 2 games, this is the type of day they'll likely add games to, they could even add 6-8 games and you wouldn't be benching players. It does suck but it's something we can overcome! |
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Feb 10, 2021 20:28:05 GMT -5
I think the main problem is everyone affected differently each week. Ex. Chris - Captials was devastated against me. I was fine. Until this week, now I have 5 plus players not playing all week. There is no predictable outcome right now or at the end of the season. All the talk about the NHL making up games later on doesn't balance out the games missed in week 2 or 3. Not only that, but there is no guarantee the games are even made up. The NHL is firm they are ending the season April, whatever it is. So they can be done the playoffs in July. If teams in the US keep getting COVID, they are converting to pts percentage. This isn't the MLB where they can play double headers in the same day or go 3 days in a row.
For fantasy purposes, Derrick - Senators could be right, the made up games could force rosters to be full and leave players on the bench. Or it couldn't... we won't find out until or IF the games are made up. But Nos - Sharks could be right and they sprinkle them in on days that don't have a lot of action. I feel they won't necessarily care what days they take up, as long as it works within their schedules. Which are already tight to begin with. It worked out with the Coyotes and Blues extending their series but that won't always happen like that. I am skeptical it will 'balance' out in the end. Maybe by that time, you get extra games, you've lost terribly 3 weeks in a row and you can't come back from it.
I think an extra IR+ spot isn't a bad idea. But I also don't think it really solves the problem because some teams are going to be affected way more than others. Almost every team if not every team has at least 1 guy affected by covid protocol or postponement so one IR+ spot isn't going to change the team that has 6 out going up against the team that has 2 out. Both add a player and it's a moot point.
The other issue is often only one team has covid and the other just has their game postponed. Which means that team can't pick up anyone because their player doesn't have covid, they just aren't playing. Like Kadri for me, he doesn't have covid but his games are postponed so he's not designated as Out or N/A. It won't really help in that situation.
I voted for the 2 IR plus 1 IR+ spot but I think they're should be a rule where the O/NA can only be used for covid, and not players ruled out in a day to day injury situation. I'm not sure how much it will help, but the damage might already be done (to a team like Chris)
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 10, 2021 20:30:21 GMT -5
I think the main problem is everyone affected differently each week. Ex. Chris - Captials was devastated against me. I was fine. Until this week, now I have 5 plus players not playing all week. There is no predictable outcome right now or at the end of the season. All the talk about the NHL making up games later on doesn't balance out the games missed in week 2 or 3. Not only that, but there is no guarantee the games are even made up. The NHL is firm they are ending the season April, whatever it is. So they can be done the playoffs in July. If teams in the US keep getting COVID, they are converting to pts percentage. This isn't the MLB where they can play double headers in the same day or go 3 days in a row. For fantasy purposes, Derrick - Senators could be right, the made up games could force rosters to be full and leave players on the bench. Or it couldn't... we won't find out until or IF the games are made up. But Nos - Sharks could be right and they sprinkle them in on days that don't have a lot of action. I feel they won't necessarily care what days they take up, as long as it works within their schedules. Which are already tight to begin with. It worked out with the Coyotes and Blues extending their series but that won't always happen like that. I am skeptical it will 'balance' out in the end. Maybe by that time, you get extra games, you've lost terribly 3 weeks in a row and you can't come back from it. I think an extra IR+ spot isn't a bad idea. But I also don't think it really solves the problem because some teams are going to be affected way more than others. Almost every team if not every team has at least 1 guy affected by covid protocol or postponement so one IR+ spot isn't going to change the team that has 6 out going up against the team that has 2 out. Both add a player and it's a moot point. The other issue is often only one team has covid and the other just has their game postponed. Which means that team can't pick up anyone because their player doesn't have covid, they just aren't playing. Like Kadri for me, he doesn't have covid but his games are postponed so he's not designated as Out or N/A. It won't really help in that situation. I voted for the 2 IR plus 1 IR+ spot but I think they're should be a rule where the O/NA can only be used for covid, and not players ruled out in a day to day injury situation. I'm not sure how much it will help, but the damage might already be done (to a team like Chris) This is well said. Another option could be to add 1 or more bench spots instead of IR or IR+ |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Feb 10, 2021 21:41:00 GMT -5
No, there's some very good stuff said here. Here's the thing though, everybody is affected differently in every single season, this is just a unique addition. People get ravaged by injuries, all the time, this is just a matter of more injury occurrence but with the added ability to actually make up games at a later date. Something traditional injuries don't afford. It's not equal, nothing is ever equal, it's not supposed to be equal. Some teams get hit in the face harder than others. Some teams are better equipped, by design, to handle it. That's the way it is. Do your best. There's never a predictable outcome. A defeatist approach is not the way to go. Having said all that, Colin is correct in saying each manager can just add their extra player and it's a moot point. As well as what he said about PPD players not having any injury designation. I think Derrick's idea of adding extra bench slots is the best solution yet, better than IR+. I'd even go a step further and say add an extra 'F' slot if you believe benched players will become an issue. I'd say either do 2 Bench slots, 1 Bench + 1 F slot, or 2 Bench slots + 1 F slot. We'd need to hold a very quick Supplemental Waiver Draft of 2 or 3 rounds depending on how many additional slots are added. The draft order can be determined by the current Waiver priority. Hockey rules! 
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Feb 10, 2021 22:07:46 GMT -5
I think the main problem is everyone affected differently each week. Ex. Chris - Captials was devastated against me. I was fine. Until this week, now I have 5 plus players not playing all week. There is no predictable outcome right now or at the end of the season. All the talk about the NHL making up games later on doesn't balance out the games missed in week 2 or 3. Not only that, but there is no guarantee the games are even made up. The NHL is firm they are ending the season April, whatever it is. So they can be done the playoffs in July. If teams in the US keep getting COVID, they are converting to pts percentage. This isn't the MLB where they can play double headers in the same day or go 3 days in a row. For fantasy purposes, Derrick - Senators could be right, the made up games could force rosters to be full and leave players on the bench. Or it couldn't... we won't find out until or IF the games are made up. But Nos - Sharks could be right and they sprinkle them in on days that don't have a lot of action. I feel they won't necessarily care what days they take up, as long as it works within their schedules. Which are already tight to begin with. It worked out with the Coyotes and Blues extending their series but that won't always happen like that. I am skeptical it will 'balance' out in the end. Maybe by that time, you get extra games, you've lost terribly 3 weeks in a row and you can't come back from it. I think an extra IR+ spot isn't a bad idea. But I also don't think it really solves the problem because some teams are going to be affected way more than others. Almost every team if not every team has at least 1 guy affected by covid protocol or postponement so one IR+ spot isn't going to change the team that has 6 out going up against the team that has 2 out. Both add a player and it's a moot point. The other issue is often only one team has covid and the other just has their game postponed. Which means that team can't pick up anyone because their player doesn't have covid, they just aren't playing. Like Kadri for me, he doesn't have covid but his games are postponed so he's not designated as Out or N/A. It won't really help in that situation. I voted for the 2 IR plus 1 IR+ spot but I think they're should be a rule where the O/NA can only be used for covid, and not players ruled out in a day to day injury situation. I'm not sure how much it will help, but the damage might already be done (to a team like Chris) This is well said. Another option could be to add 1 or more bench spots instead of IR or IR+ This is far out there and might be too complicated but what if we added 2 roster bench spots that we designate as a 'taxi squad'. You can sign only 1 free agent and you can name 3 prospects/minor leaguers as taxi squad but only call up 1 or 2 to your active roster (depending if you signed a free agent). You call up your own rookies or prospects (so it's not depleting the free agent pool) and keeps the integrity of using your team rather than signing free agents. These 3 players can be interchanged during the season free of waivers. A prospect still turns into a 'free agent/full NHLer' at 200 games for player and 150 for goalie. A traded taxi squad minor leaguer loses his protection Current minor leaguers on your roster can't be designated taxi squad The called up player(s) still counts towards your farm team. so you don't get 1 or 2 extra farm spots. lol This is kind of too much upon thinking of it and doesn't really solve anything. Honestly I don't know what is the best thing to do. An extra bench spot or 2 just gives everyone an extra player. Maybe just the extra IR+ spot and if you have postponement sorry about your luck haha. This was my crazy idea to keep the 'strategy of fantasy' still intact. Damn you Covid! |
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Post by Colin - Avalanche on Feb 10, 2021 22:50:32 GMT -5
No, there's some very good stuff said here. Here's the thing though, everybody is affected differently in every single season, this is just a unique addition. People get ravaged by injuries, all the time, this is just a matter of more injury occurrence but with the added ability to actually make up games at a later date. Something traditional injuries don't afford. It's not equal, nothing is ever equal, it's not supposed to be equal. Some teams get hit in the face harder than others. Some teams are better equipped, by design, to handle it. That's the way it is. Do your best. There's never a predictable outcome. A defeatist approach is not the way to go. Having said all that, Colin is correct in saying each manager can just add their extra player and it's a moot point. As well as what he said about PPD players not having any injury designation. I think Derrick's idea of adding extra bench slots is the best solution yet, better than IR+. I'd even go a step further and say add an extra 'F' slot if you believe benched players will become an issue. I'd say either do 2 Bench slots, 1 Bench + 1 F slot, or 2 Bench slots + 1 F slot. We'd need to hold a very quick Supplemental Waiver Draft of 2 or 3 rounds depending on how many additional slots are added. The draft order can be determined by the current Waiver priority. Hockey rules! I like the idea of a quick draft if added roster spots are given. One round per spot added. That's a good way to keep the strategy I don't agree it's the same as injuries. In theory it's the same (being random, part of the game and strategy). But covid isn't part of the game. Injuries affect one player you have, Covid affects everyone on that team and the team that they are playing. If you have 2 players on that team plus 1 or 2 on the other. That's a big blow. Injuries don't work like that. It's a blanket of effect rather than individual. We're also only assuming the games get made up, there's no guarantee. Having said that, even though I think it's worse, I don't know what adding a spot really does except give everyone an extra player. But I'm ok with either an extra IR spot or extra roster spot. Whatever the majority wants I'll accept. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 12, 2021 5:03:42 GMT -5
1 IR+ spot has been added.
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Post by Kyle - Devils on Mar 24, 2021 0:49:57 GMT -5
I lost already 5 or 6 starts this week to games being PPD day of which i guess nothing can be done about but I've got games now scheduled for tomorrow that are PPD and i cant drop and sign a player because they aren't designated as N/A.
Theres a good chance i dont make goalie mins for the week, i have to send down my prospect i just called up again and hope he starts tomorrow in Winnepeg and then send him down again and call up the other guy. Its kind of a shit show.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Kyle - Devils on Mar 24, 2021 0:52:13 GMT -5
I just looked and actually need Demkos waiver date to be changed so i can even do that.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 24, 2021 3:12:33 GMT -5
My opinion remains the same. I think this season is a joke. It is a nightmare to navigate. There isn’t a solution to the problems you are facing. There have been multiple teams that have not been able to make goalie starts as a result of Covid protocol. You just don’t realize how bad it is until it happens to you.
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Your examples are irrelevant, as you go on to acknowledge, some would even call the comparisons offensive. Those issues have ways of being tackled and I'm absolutely not saying nothing should be done about them, I'm not even saying nothing should be done about these missed games, which is why I think adding this extra slot is a great idea. What I'm saying is, this is the way things are right now, for this season. Unfortunate, but that doesn't mean we should give up and quit. We should do our very best with what we have to work with and that's all we can do. The missed games are akin to injuries, unfortunate, they affect different teams differently and at random. Nobody is immune. Like already stated, and ignored for some reason, the PPD games most likely will not be played on days that are already jam packed. They will be sprinkled throughout the season where there's adequate space to do so, like what they've done with baseball. Similarly, baseball started off poorly with many Covid related postponements and teams being isolated but they later figured it out much better and finished the season just fine. For instance, today has just 2 games, this is the type of day they'll likely add games to, they could even add 6-8 games and you wouldn't be benching players. It does suck but it's something we can overcome!
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.