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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 13, 2023 18:43:01 GMT -5
Yeah sorry, it's the first thing I think of when I think of the Leafs, it could even be my favorite hockey memory, I could see what winning did to a city. Still don't have the Cup though and your team does and your team's doing great currently.
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Post by Abe - Kraken on Aug 13, 2023 18:43:20 GMT -5
Not to be pushy but how soon can I expect a resolution to that trade?Is it being reversed or?That trade very much alters the look of my team and my draft considering I go from 4 to 11.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 13, 2023 18:45:48 GMT -5
I believe it's processed, I can't see how it could be reversed legitimately.
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Post by Abe - Kraken on Aug 13, 2023 18:47:27 GMT -5
Seems a bit unfair to first allow a franchise altering, lopsided trade,then get a new owner.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2023 18:54:41 GMT -5
Not to be pushy but how soon can I expect a resolution to that trade?Is it being reversed or?That trade very much alters the look of my team and my draft considering I go from 4 to 11. I would first wait and see if Daniel responds and is willing to do the right thing work with you in any way at modifying the trade. If not, then the league would need to "change it's mind" on the veto poll prior to the deadline. Which would normally be 2 weeks for a poll, but since the trade involves a Waiver pick it kind of forces the issue in less than 2 days. Its a really weird and super unfortunate situation. |
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Post by Abe - Kraken on Aug 13, 2023 18:58:21 GMT -5
I understand.I will accept whatever the league finally decides.I got to at least exhaust all options considering the impact that deal has on my roster.
When is the draft starting?
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2023 18:58:21 GMT -5
We now have a new GM who does or does not get to vote? The previous GM dipped and now his vote does or does not count? Is the poll closed when all votes are cast or does it remain open for 2 weeks? Does that time limit reset now that there is a new GM? There are so many intricacies to this.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2023 18:59:25 GMT -5
I understand.I will accept whatever the league finally decides.I got to at least exhaust all options considering the impact that deal has on my roster. When is the draft starting? The draft will begin on August 15th at 12:00 PM EST. Each GM will have 12 hours to make a selection. The draft thread can be found here: nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/1382/2023-waiver-draft?page=1&scrollTo=15338 |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 13, 2023 19:03:45 GMT -5
The trade was made a month ago. Nobody said anything about it for almost a month. If there was a problem with the trade it should have been resolved in a more timely manner, never in NAFHL history has a trade gone that long before a veto poll was put up against it. Karlsson was traded to the Penguins and almost immediately after this occurs the Commissioner puts up a veto poll. So the veto poll was put up late where the outcome was no veto. The Commissioner harassed the previous manager into quitting the league. Is that unfair? Many other moving pieces occurred, would it be fair to the other manager involved in the trade to have it reversed after so much time has passed and the veto poll outcome was no veto? How could it be legitimately reversed after all of this has occurred? Seeing as each trade transaction has a 48 hour respond time it only stands to reason that any issue with said trade should also be brought up within this respond time window or within an additional 48 hour window after the trade response time. Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned, the veto poll itself was an illegal move.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 13, 2023 19:12:39 GMT -5
We now have a new GM who does or does not get to vote? The previous GM dipped and now his vote does or does not count? Is the poll closed when all votes are cast or does it remain open for 2 weeks? Does that time limit reset now that there is a new GM? There are so many intricacies to this. Wow. Does the new GM get a vote on a trade from a month ago when he wasn't in the league? No. Teams involved in the trade do not get a vote. The poll is resolved once all votes are cast seeing as votes cannot be changed if you remember Chris - Capitals saying so during a previous poll. Does the time limit reset now that there is a new GM? No. When has this ever been a thing? There are zero intricacies to this, merely you making more excuses to concoct the outcome you'd like. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2023 19:15:37 GMT -5
I already explained why it took so long to put up the veto poll. The trade so was shockingly bad that I literally thought it was a joke. Neither manager involved in the trade mentioned that it wasn't updated or asked why it wasn't being processed for an entire month either, reinforcing the notion I already had in my head. After I made every single other update for the summer, I circled back and asked in jest about the trade just to be certain. When it was made apparent it wasn't a joke, the veto poll was put up immediately.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2023 19:19:56 GMT -5
We now have a new GM who does or does not get to vote? The previous GM dipped and now his vote does or does not count? Is the poll closed when all votes are cast or does it remain open for 2 weeks? Does that time limit reset now that there is a new GM? There are so many intricacies to this. Wow. Does the new GM get a vote on a trade from a month ago when he wasn't in the league? No. Teams involved in the trade do not get a vote. The poll is resolved once all votes are cast seeing as votes cannot be changed if you remember Chris - Capitals saying so during a previous poll. Does the time limit reset now that there is a new GM? No. When has this ever been a thing? There are zero intricacies to this, merely you making more excuses to concoct the outcome you'd like. This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the health of the league, and the new GM that is assuming control of a franchise that was run into the ground from decisions beyond his control. Place blame where blame is due. Your boy made terrible trades, threw a fit, quit the league, and now you want everybody else to pick up the pieces. Zero accountability. Personally, I am fine just going through the motions this season But that doesn't mean everyone has to suffer as well if they choose not to. Fantasy hockey is supposed to be fun, not a chore. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 13, 2023 19:20:29 GMT -5
Why would it be a joke? You thinking it was a joke is irrelevant. Daniel - Canucks put up team articles welcoming his new players. If you thought it was a joke you should have asked about it immediately, it went through all of the normal processing requirements for a normal trade. Your explanation is poor. It isn't the job of the other managers to make sure you're doing your job.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2023 19:25:37 GMT -5
Why would it be a joke? Because the league was quiet and we were about to start a draft. Because the previous GM had a history of making bad trades that were subject to veto prompting unnecessary discussions like the one we are having now? Same way as when you made your Montour trade, I joked about starting a veto poll? Most importantly, because the trade is shockingly bad and is meme-worthy.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 13, 2023 19:28:19 GMT -5
Why would it be a joke? You thinking it was a joke is irrelevant. Daniel - Canucks put up team articles welcoming his new players. If you thought it was a joke you should have asked about it immediately, it went through all of the normal processing requirements for a normal trade. Your explanation is poor. It isn't the job of the other managers to make sure you're doing your job. I'm willing to accept that Derrick thought it was a joke based on his thinking on the trade. It is our job as managers to ensure roster updates have been completed, after drafts and what not we always double check to make sure all updates were made why would a trade be any different. The articles being posted could be seen as a joke if the initial trade post was seen as one, simply seen as a joke to get us all through the slowest part of our summer here. It's 12 teams and constant roster updates, Derrick on his own can't be expected to track and not miss every single transaction 365. All that being said, if Seattle and Vancouver can come up with an acceptable compromise I'd say that's probably the best possible outcome. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 13, 2023 19:28:43 GMT -5
Wow. Does the new GM get a vote on a trade from a month ago when he wasn't in the league? No. Teams involved in the trade do not get a vote. The poll is resolved once all votes are cast seeing as votes cannot be changed if you remember Chris - Capitals saying so during a previous poll. Does the time limit reset now that there is a new GM? No. When has this ever been a thing? There are zero intricacies to this, merely you making more excuses to concoct the outcome you'd like. This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the health of the league, and the new GM that is assuming control of a franchise that was run into the ground from decisions beyond his control. Place blame where blame is due. Your boy made terrible trades, threw a fit, quit the league, and now you want everybody else to pick up the pieces. Zero accountability. Hello, we're talking in circles and you've got your record on loop here, your claims have been refuted. You cannot, with facts, prove the team was run into the ground by him therefore it didn't happen. I went over his trade history and it was a positive outcome. Bob did not draft his team either. The team he inherited placed 10th the year prior. You harassed him to the point of quitting and it wasn't a one off, it's been done by you in the past as well creating a trend. The only one with accountability issues is you. Again, terrible trades you've made that have propelled your team... Joe Thornton for Semin/Eaves/Sanford, the Hintz for Lankinen/Chychrun trade, the Kyrou for DeSmith/Jost trade, the Saros for Vesey trade, the Sebastian Aho for Talbot/Nilsson trade, the Marchand for Bozak/Gardiner trade, the Kopitar/Rinne/1st Waiver for Heatley/Backstrom (G)/Grabner trade, and the Rask for Irving trade. ...yet you're the one whining about this. How can you actually believe your conduct is just? Mind boggling. |
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Post by Abe - Kraken on Aug 13, 2023 19:29:41 GMT -5
I'm game to negotiate with Van if he's open to the idea.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Aug 13, 2023 19:30:44 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the health of the league, and the new GM that is assuming control of a franchise that was run into the ground from decisions beyond his control. Place blame where blame is due. Your boy made terrible trades, threw a fit, quit the league, and now you want everybody else to pick up the pieces. Zero accountability. Joe Thornton for Semin/Eaves/Sanford, the Hintz for Lankinen/Chychrun trade, the Kyrou for DeSmith/Jost trade, the Saros for Vesey trade, the Sebastian Aho for Talbot/Nilsson trade, the Marchand for Bozak/Gardiner trade, the Kopitar/Rinne/1st Waiver for Heatley/Backstrom (G)/Grabner trade, and the Rask for Irving trade. Who is it in record loop here? |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Aug 13, 2023 19:32:49 GMT -5
Every trade you continue to cite that I have made was made under extremely different circumstances. If anything, you are just highlighting my ability to trade for top talent in hindsight. All of my trades were made when they were prospects, this trade is for an 80 point winger, 100 point dman, AND 7 spots up in the first round of the waiver draft NOW. You continuing to try to drive this narrative is tired and dishonest. I will not be responding to any more of this garbage just so you can hear yourself talk. If you have something constructive to add, please do so. Otherwise, kindly go kick rocks.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Aug 13, 2023 19:33:14 GMT -5
Why would it be a joke? You thinking it was a joke is irrelevant. Daniel - Canucks put up team articles welcoming his new players. If you thought it was a joke you should have asked about it immediately, it went through all of the normal processing requirements for a normal trade. Your explanation is poor. It isn't the job of the other managers to make sure you're doing your job. I'm willing to accept that Derrick thought it was a joke based on his thinking on the trade. It is our job as managers to ensure roster updates have been completed, after drafts and what not we always double check to make sure all updates were made why would a trade be any different. The articles being posted could be seen as a joke if the initial trade post was seen as one, simply seen as a joke to get us all through the slowest part of our summer here. It's 12 teams and constant roster updates, Derrick on his own can't be expected to track and not miss every single transaction 365. All that being said, if Seattle and Vancouver can come up with an acceptable compromise I'd say that's probably the best possible outcome. Come on Chris, the trade wasn't posted as a joke, it was posted as a real trade with both parties accepting. This is just another excuse. If he thought it was a joke ask about it, that's the Commissioner's job. |
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So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.