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Post by Glenn - Wild on Mar 3, 2013 23:45:44 GMT -5
I was in same boat thinking whether or not to start backstrom tonight. Wanted to take that extra category for wins but I chickened out even though I probably wouldn't have lost either gaa or sv% anyways. Would have worked but oh well. I think blocks, hits, or shoot out goals would be cool to add. I don't think you can add points because if someone wins goals and assists its basically giving them a free 3rd category.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 4, 2013 0:01:04 GMT -5
Yeah you would have been fine starting Backstrom, I figured Luongo (hopefully) wouldn't let in more than 3 goals which is what ultimately decided it for me. Didn't make any difference but it took the last shot on goal with seconds left to win me back SV% which was tied. Anything for the win for me I guess.  I kind of hate the idea of shootout goals. I'd much prefer something 'in game'. If somebody loses both goals and assists they deserve to lose 3 categories.  I get what you mean, I used to feel the same, but more often than not I think the categories, the battles, are close enough to make PTS matter in the end. |
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Mar 4, 2013 0:22:16 GMT -5
I was in same boat thinking whether or not to start backstrom tonight. Wanted to take that extra category for wins but I chickened out even though I probably wouldn't have lost either gaa or sv% anyways. Would have worked but oh well. I think blocks, hits, or shoot out goals would be cool to add. I don't think you can add points because if someone wins goals and assists its basically giving them a free 3rd category. Would love to have blocks and hits as categories. Maybe fow aswell. If some of those categories were added I think it might be smart to add saves as a category for goalies aswell so that the value of goalies doesn't get hurt. Got experience with those cats in other leagues and they make the leagues more challenging and increase parity in my opinion. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 4, 2013 0:36:14 GMT -5
I was in same boat thinking whether or not to start backstrom tonight. Wanted to take that extra category for wins but I chickened out even though I probably wouldn't have lost either gaa or sv% anyways. Would have worked but oh well. I think blocks, hits, or shoot out goals would be cool to add. I don't think you can add points because if someone wins goals and assists its basically giving them a free 3rd category. Would love to have blocks and hits as categories. Maybe fow aswell. If some of those categories were added I think it might be smart to add saves as a category for goalies aswell so that the value of goalies doesn't get hurt. Got experience with those cats in other leagues and they make the leagues more challenging and increase parity in my opinion. Yeah, I noted SV as a category, it's needed to even things out like you said. I feel goalies, right now, are a little too important, which is why I liked the 12/5 split instead of 8/4. Goalies should certainly be important, and I still think they are with the 12/5 split, but for a position that has just 2 or 3 rostered the discrepancy is a bit much. |
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Mar 4, 2013 1:13:56 GMT -5
Would love to have blocks and hits as categories. Maybe fow aswell. If some of those categories were added I think it might be smart to add saves as a category for goalies aswell so that the value of goalies doesn't get hurt. Got experience with those cats in other leagues and they make the leagues more challenging and increase parity in my opinion. Yeah, I noted SV as a category, it's needed to even things out like you said. I feel goalies, right now, are a little too important, which is why I liked the 12/5 split instead of 8/4. Goalies should certainly be important, and I still think they are with the 12/5 split, but for a position that has just 2 or 3 rostered the discrepancy is a bit much. True, it's a fine line keeping goalies important but not too important. I hope this conversation stirs some debate about the categories the league has. Would be great to hear thoughts from other GM's aswell. |
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Post by Hawks on Mar 4, 2013 8:32:40 GMT -5
Agreed 100% with the above 2 posts
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Mar 4, 2013 9:35:37 GMT -5
I would love adding Saves, Blocks, Hits, and Face off Wins could make the league even more in depth
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 4, 2013 9:42:38 GMT -5
I like the fact that this came up. More categories would increase parity. Make it more interesting every night. On board for changes for sure. I think we should decide how many categories to add and vote on the GM favorites to fill the spots.
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Mar 4, 2013 11:44:08 GMT -5
Someone could propably create a poll about this. Don't have to decide which categories to add right away. Poll could simply be to see if people want to increase of the number of categories.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 5, 2013 16:12:56 GMT -5
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The only category I would consider adding is "points."
Which I suggested and fought hard for in the past but was met with resistance.
If any other categories were to be added, we would essentially have to start the league over and redraft our teams because some have been building and rebuilding to meet league specifications and stats for 6+ years now.
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Mar 5, 2013 16:20:46 GMT -5
I like 3 more categories we could implement without much effect on the league.
Hits FOW and SV's or Block shots
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Mar 5, 2013 16:21:38 GMT -5
Saves, Hits, Blocks
The more I think about it the more I don't like the FOW category only a select few players and only 1 position really aside from the dual eligible would seem pointless IMO. I do however like the 3 Ive listed
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Post by Hawks on Mar 5, 2013 16:46:54 GMT -5
I'd be cool with Saves, Hits, Blocks, and even points... Allows for greater league parity.
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Post by Mark - Bruins on Mar 5, 2013 16:50:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure if yahoo "carries" all of the suggested stats. I think one year we considered replacing GWG with shootout goals, but yahoo didn't have it. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only category I would consider adding is "points." Which I suggested and fought hard for in the past but was met with resistance. If any other categories were to be added, we would essentially have to start the league over and redraft our teams because some have been building and rebuilding to meet league specifications and stats for 6+ years now. This mirrors my feelings... maybe because we're in collusion?!? |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 5, 2013 22:07:25 GMT -5
It was just something I wanted to consider in the off-season, it doesn't have to happen. I disagree that we'd have to 'start over' by adding a few extra categories though. |
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Post by Markus - Hurricanes on Mar 5, 2013 22:23:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure if yahoo "carries" all of the suggested stats. Yahoo has all of them available. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 19, 2013 22:02:59 GMT -5
Wiercioch for Kreider must look mighty good now, no? Well, actually maybe not, since you lost.  |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 20, 2013 7:48:47 GMT -5
Wiercioch for Kreider must look mighty good now, no? Well, actually maybe not, since you lost. Actually it is, because I still own Kreider, who I would take 10 times out of 10 over a depth defenseman who is scoring over his head due to injuries (Karlsson). |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Mar 20, 2013 10:42:32 GMT -5
Wiercioch for Kreider must look mighty good now, no? Well, actually maybe not, since you lost. Actually it is, because I still own Kreider, who I would take 10 times out of 10 over a depth defenseman who is scoring over his head due to injuries (Karlsson). Funny, I'd take Wiercioch 10 times out of 10. You know, the guy actually playing in the NHL as opposed to the overrated fringe winger with a paltry 0.43 PPG average in the AHL. Wiercioch, the defenseman, has a 0.54 PPG average in the NHL! Depth defensemen also don't play in the Top 4, first season. Wiercioch's defensive partner has been Sergei Gonchar for pretty much the entire year, occasionally with Andre Benoit and almost never with Karlsson. I'd buy your claim if Karlsson actually had something to do with Wiercioch's success, like...you know, playing with him. You could argue Wiercioch has more PP time now but let's take a look by the numbers: PPP before Karlsson injury: 3 in 10 games. (0.3) PPP after Karlsson injury: 3 in 16 games. (0.1875) Wiercioch is poised, skilled and intelligent. His peripherals are superb, all in line for multi-cat stardom. He's also a beast at 6'4" 200 pounds at just 22 years old. If his point production has increased it's because he's a rookie making his way through his first NHL campaign, becoming more familiar with the rigors of NHL hockey, the city, his teammates, his defensive partner/s and his place within the organization which is, at worst, in the Top 4 going forward. If anything you should believe Wiercioch has been hindered by Karlsson's injury because there's a lot more focus on him. Sergei Gonchar has once again become relevant playing with Wiercioch. Understand that. Patrick Wiercioch has become a big part of San Jose's future plans. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Mar 20, 2013 10:49:47 GMT -5
Actually it is, because I still own Kreider, who I would take 10 times out of 10 over a depth defenseman who is scoring over his head due to injuries (Karlsson). Funny, I'd take Wiercioch 10 times out of 10. You know, the guy actually playing in the NHL as opposed to the overrated fringe winger with a paltry 0.43 PPG average in the AHL. Wiercioch, the defenseman, has a 0.54 PPG average in the NHL! Depth defensemen also don't play in the Top 4, first season. Wiercioch's defensive partner has been Sergei Gonchar for pretty much the entire year, occasionally with Andre Benoit and almost never with Karlsson. I'd buy your claim if Karlsson actually had something to do with Wiercioch's success, like...you know, playing with him. You could argue Wiercioch has more PP time now but let's take a look by the numbers: PPP before Karlsson injury: 3 in 10 games. (0.3) PPP after Karlsson injury: 3 in 16 games. (0.1875) Wiercioch is poised, skilled and intelligent. His peripherals are superb, all in line for multi-cat stardom. He's also a beast at 6'4" 200 pounds at just 22 years old. If his point production has increased it's because he's a rookie making his way through his first NHL campaign, becoming more familiar with the rigors of NHL hockey, the city, his teammates, his defensive partner/s and his place within the organization which is, at worst, in the Top 4 going forward. If anything you should believe Wiercioch has been hindered by Karlsson's injury because there's a lot more focus on him. Sergei Gonchar has once again become relevant playing with Wiercioch. Understand that. Patrick Wiercioch has become a big part of San Jose's future plans. I think you are just upset that your crappy ploy to yet again talk up one of your players pre-trade deadline so that you can pawn him off on some unsuspecting GM for an overpaid, unworthy price is now going to fail. Take notice my fellow league mates. Do not be duped by this notorious scam artist.  |
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I kind of hate the idea of shootout goals. I'd much prefer something 'in game'. If somebody loses both goals and assists they deserve to lose 3 categories. 
I get what you mean, I used to feel the same, but more often than not I think the categories, the battles, are close enough to make PTS matter in the end.
So exciting.
You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.