Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 9, 2023 7:28:33 GMT -5
Wow, an actual response with some things to go through, bravo. I dig it, I'm excited! Even if you ignored my question yet again, I'll ask again before I get into it...was there concern raised in your trade thread, yes or no?
Hmmm, I don't like this sigh to start things off man, you actually haven't given a single decent reply yet and haven't elaborated one iota, ignoring questions and literally using circular logic. Different for a number of reasons, well, I see two given so let's get to them...
Fine, that's a difference alright. So what you're saying is we should refrain from making big trades with new managers for a couple years? How many years? 2? Kinda shitty.
Fundamentally disagreeing with vetoes is the point. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks of a trade, how many times does this need to be said? Everybody has an opinion on a trade, this has been illustrated to you in so many ways. The trade wasn't even vetoed! This isn't even about that, it's about you concocting a desired outcome. Not a single manager liked your trade either, no? Have I missed it? Maybe I have but that thread shows zero support. This is about you playing by a different rulebook. You acted differently when your trade was on the line. If anybody 'walked back' anything it was because you weren't budging, no? Wasn't it because you started to respond to trades with a butt hurt attitude already illustrated? Threads led to insulting one another? Hmmm. Why didn't we learn a lesson back then about vetoes then? Why are we right back here?
Yeah, this is Mark telling you to settle down. Again, he's telling you to settle down. What does posting this again actually do to support what you're saying? You're the one, the only one, who said 'veto' in that thread because you were butt hurt about people calling for your trade to be vetoed.
Yeeeah, same thread, Markus is talking to you! You're the one creating the controversy! 🤣 What does posting this do for you??
I was confused where this came from at first because it wasn't included in either previous thread you linked here but I read on and saw you linked it below (I'll comment more on that below) but to address it...again, I'm not sure how you think this supports anything you're saying? Markus is again telling you to quit it with the controversy. He's also weighing in on vetoes being trash. He's also sticking it to Robyn - Flames (no?) about "opinions" with one f-in line with three words in it. Keep it to yourself indeed Markus! Pound it! 👊
Who gives a shit if they were locked? They were locked because of your bullshit. Your controversy. Your terrible trade. Your childish butt hurt attitude attacking other managers for their trades and calling for a veto because you got called out.
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/678/detroit-carolina-blockbuster
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/680/carolina-winnipeg-trade
Yeah, I saw these threads and commented on them in detail not that long ago, how did I not acknowledge them? What in the blue HELL are you talking about? Are you okay? Seriously? Right here...
He admits it! Ho-ly Christ! 🤣
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/678/detroit-carolina-blockbuster
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/680/carolina-winnipeg-trade
Me “ignoring” this was actually to your benefit, but since you won’t let it go, I don’t mind exposing you for the charlatan that you are once again. Cheers! 🍻
What a bizarre post this is. 😕 That first thread is literally you alone, being butt hurt, saying to veto a fair trade that everybody else corrected you on and stated as such within the thread. No controversy like your trade thread. The second thread is a basic trade that had zero comments made in it. This being 'proof' of your narrative is incorrect. Talk about providing disingenuous and incomplete zero information in an attempt to drive your narrative like you ALWAYS do. The league called for the veto talk to 'cool' off huh? You sure that wasn't just Mark telling you to settle down? You know, since you were butt hurt? Did you allow veto talks to 'cool off' with my trade? Nope. Was there 'concern raised' in your trade thread, yes or no? This is more proof of you ignoring the issue at hand and not listening. More proof of you doing things differently when it comes to me and you. More proof of you making literally any and every excuse in the book to dodge any blame whatsoever for your conduct. I hope managers are actually looking into what you're claiming here instead of just reading this quick glib nonsense and taking it at face value. I honestly don't know how you can feel good about what you're doing. Maybe you feel like your back is against the wall and there's no way out but that isn't true, there's always a way back, nobody would think differently of you if you just admit your conduct was not consistent with this scenario. Admitting it would go a long way to showing you want what's best for the league moving forward. Also, don't copy me man, you need to find your own way! Cheers! 🍻
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/679/vetos
What? This thread wasn't posted until now. How could I claim it doesn't exist? Where did I specifically say this? That's a great thread that supports what I'm saying! More fuel! I would never say it doesn't exist! Some beauty quotes from it that support what I'm saying...
😮 This was the beast I remember...or maybe you said that because it was your trade being called into question to start all of the vitriol.
The only time there should be talk about vetoing is when you're in a money league. Then I can understand the need to have a some sort of voting procedure regarding collusion.
"Bad" trades happen all the time. Not everyone regards the value of certain players in the same way and all the "What? Really?" comments in the trade threads only serve to demoralize the parties involved in the trade. I can fully understand if someone gets tired with the quite frankly disrespectful oneliners that are being thrown on the board without second thought and decides that he has better things to do with his time.
Your buddy Robyn - Flames dissing your trade hard. He also questions your lack of desire to have the Capitals franchise carry long-term viability should the trade go through. Sooo, yeah, thanks for pointing out that thread man! Fucking wicked.
Any rule changes will be discussed after the drafts, and once all the dust settles. Right now we need to focus on the off-season, so lets keep things civil.
After which I unlocked the thread once everybody calmed down and asked for suggestions on a veto system (as I have done now) and nobody replied.
The first issue that we will address is one that has already been mentioned and discussed briefly: veto system
I am opening this thread back up under the conditions that there isn't any finger pointing or unnecessary inflammatory remarks. The idea of this thread is to better league system under which we all abide.
Discuss.
Inflammatory remarks came from Chris - Capitals after Robyn - Flames said he was unskilled for making the deal with you. Yeah, that's the thing with garbage like this. People get sick of it. They become disinterested. They get discouraged. When enough time passes they forget about it. People want to forget and sweep it under the rug evidenced by Tyler - Jets' response. Locking the threads served as a means to make people forget. We never talked it through, nothing was resolved, history doomed to repeat itself except now you're on the other side because you aren't involved in the trade and it benefits you to have the trade vetoed this time.
Naaah, you're lost and can't be found. Sad. I actually thought you had something worthwhile to say, what an idiot I was for thinking that when I saw your post. You've said literally nothing, nothing that supports your delusional narrative and you've been expertly thwarted yet again and I'll continue to do so if you choose to keep replying. All you've done is dig your hole deeper and the stunning thing is you don't even know you're digging! Smarten up. You're only doing a disservice to yourself now. Go ahead and Google Vetoes in Fantasy Leagues and tell me what you see, 95% of what you see is people saying no real man vetoes trades, people who say vetoes destroy a league's credibility, people who say vetoes should be reserved only for cheating, people who say that people who veto are doing it for themselves, people who write articles condemning vetoes and the people who perpetrate them, people who say vetoes are archaic. Nobody...likes...vetoes.
🤣 It would be like you to try to get something out of it instead of straight up sticking to your convictions in an effort to prove a point. Nah, nah, nah, this isn't a bet proposal. You fucked me over. I don't know who is gonna be better in 3 years because I believe it's a fair trade. The reason Bob got the extra first was because Pastrnak is ready now, I wouldn't have to wait years by acquiring him like I'll have to wait for Batherson. It was a question of 'Do you want to be better now or in the future?' You believe, strongly enough to veto, that there is no fucking way Batherson ever comes close to supplanting Pastrnak's production, nevermind over the next 3 seasons. So you shouldn't even worry about it, right? Just put up those picks then and prove a point. Nothing to worry about...if you're right. If you really believe in what you're saying you'll agree to this. Cheers! 🍻
Oh yeah, as far as your lame little reply in your fake trade thread that you're using to divert attention away from the major issues here that I will not reply in but I'll reply here briefly...Batherson is younger than Fiala. Batherson has been in the NHL for 184 games to Fiala's 462 games. Fiala has played in more games this season. Fiala is 5'10", Batherson is 6'3". Fiala has never scored 19 PPP in any season he's played in, Batherson has already done it in less than half a season. Batherson crushes shitty Fiala all day every day. I know you like Fiala, that's cool man, you're free to like him! I told you that already! You don't have to try to convince yourself! Stand by your man! 😎
Hmmm, I don't like this sigh to start things off man, you actually haven't given a single decent reply yet and haven't elaborated one iota, ignoring questions and literally using circular logic. Different for a number of reasons, well, I see two given so let's get to them...
1.) Chris was already a multi-year established manager making a deal. He had a better understanding of the league and was much more likely to stick around if things went south. Bob is/was brand new and still finding his footing/learning the landscape of the league. That is not a knock on Bob, that is just the nature of the beast. It takes most managers 1-2 years to really settle in, regardless of skill level.
Fine, that's a difference alright. So what you're saying is we should refrain from making big trades with new managers for a couple years? How many years? 2? Kinda shitty.
2.) The league as a whole walked back on it's initial response calling for peace in the league because the threads that were started led to insulting one another and inflammatory remarks. The league was pretty firm in it's response to yours. Let's be clear, not a SINGLE manager thought your deal was good, you only got votes because people fundamentally disagreed with vetoes.
Fundamentally disagreeing with vetoes is the point. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks of a trade, how many times does this need to be said? Everybody has an opinion on a trade, this has been illustrated to you in so many ways. The trade wasn't even vetoed! This isn't even about that, it's about you concocting a desired outcome. Not a single manager liked your trade either, no? Have I missed it? Maybe I have but that thread shows zero support. This is about you playing by a different rulebook. You acted differently when your trade was on the line. If anybody 'walked back' anything it was because you weren't budging, no? Wasn't it because you started to respond to trades with a butt hurt attitude already illustrated? Threads led to insulting one another? Hmmm. Why didn't we learn a lesson back then about vetoes then? Why are we right back here?
personally, I always liked Z more... but that's just my opinion. I think we all just need to take a deep breath from the whole veto issues going on this past week or so.
Yeah, this is Mark telling you to settle down. Again, he's telling you to settle down. What does posting this again actually do to support what you're saying? You're the one, the only one, who said 'veto' in that thread because you were butt hurt about people calling for your trade to be vetoed.
In any case, I'd like to keep the thread free of controversy for once, the deal was struck in a very smooth and amicable fashion and I'm quite sure both GM's are happy with what they got.
Yeeeah, same thread, Markus is talking to you! You're the one creating the controversy! 🤣 What does posting this do for you??
There's nothing wrong with debating the deal, but if your "opinion" is one f-in line with three words in it why not just keep it to yourself? It's not like its going to contribute to anything anyway. Of course this sort of stuff is quite common in fantasy hockey leagues and competition tends to bring out the worst in people, but that doesnt mean that NAFHL couldnt hold higher standards than some of the other leagues out there.
I was confused where this came from at first because it wasn't included in either previous thread you linked here but I read on and saw you linked it below (I'll comment more on that below) but to address it...again, I'm not sure how you think this supports anything you're saying? Markus is again telling you to quit it with the controversy. He's also weighing in on vetoes being trash. He's also sticking it to Robyn - Flames (no?) about "opinions" with one f-in line with three words in it. Keep it to yourself indeed Markus! Pound it! 👊
Again, I will reiterate. ALL OF THE TRADE THREADS WERE LOCKED (not just mine) to prevent the unnecessary insults and inflammatory remarks that were occurring at the time.
Who gives a shit if they were locked? They were locked because of your bullshit. Your controversy. Your terrible trade. Your childish butt hurt attitude attacking other managers for their trades and calling for a veto because you got called out.
I will link them again for you to not acknowledge.
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/678/detroit-carolina-blockbuster
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/680/carolina-winnipeg-trade
Yeah, I saw these threads and commented on them in detail not that long ago, how did I not acknowledge them? What in the blue HELL are you talking about? Are you okay? Seriously? Right here...
I haven’t needed to “learn any new words” in almost 20 years because your behavior hasn’t changed in almost 20 years.
I am ignoring this because you are providing incomplete and disingenuous information in attempt to drive your narrative like you ALWAYS do. The thread was actually locked because the league called for the veto talk to “cool” off and go away so we could resume focusing on the season as evidenced by the dialogue in the following two trades threads that occurred immediately after the trade in question WHICH WERE ALSO LOCKED.
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/678/detroit-carolina-blockbuster
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/680/carolina-winnipeg-trade
Me “ignoring” this was actually to your benefit, but since you won’t let it go, I don’t mind exposing you for the charlatan that you are once again. Cheers! 🍻
As well as this non-trade thread pertaining to Vetoes that you claim doesn't exist.
nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/679/vetos
What? This thread wasn't posted until now. How could I claim it doesn't exist? Where did I specifically say this? That's a great thread that supports what I'm saying! More fuel! I would never say it doesn't exist! Some beauty quotes from it that support what I'm saying...
Ok guys, not pointing fingers at anyone(derrick I know you were doing that because of all the finger pointing at you).
I hate vetoes, and can't remember the last time I have actually voted to veto a trade, no matter how bad I thought it was.
😮 This was the beast I remember...or maybe you said that because it was your trade being called into question to start all of the vitriol.
I just want to point out that NAFHL isn't the only place where so called "bad" trades take place all the time. Just take a look of certain Toronto transactions not too long ago in the NHL. There was no one to shout veto when Burke decided it's time to throw the future of the franchise to the trash bin with an offer sheet. (ok, exaggeration but I really don't like Burke or Toronto for that matter )
The only time there should be talk about vetoing is when you're in a money league. Then I can understand the need to have a some sort of voting procedure regarding collusion.
"Bad" trades happen all the time. Not everyone regards the value of certain players in the same way and all the "What? Really?" comments in the trade threads only serve to demoralize the parties involved in the trade. I can fully understand if someone gets tired with the quite frankly disrespectful oneliners that are being thrown on the board without second thought and decides that he has better things to do with his time.
Obviously everyone is going to value players differently, but a competent GM with an interest in long-term viability would never make the heatley/backstrom/grabner for Rinne/Kopitar/5th overall pick trade.
Your buddy Robyn - Flames dissing your trade hard. He also questions your lack of desire to have the Capitals franchise carry long-term viability should the trade go through. Sooo, yeah, thanks for pointing out that thread man! Fucking wicked.
This thread was also locked due to insults and inflammatory remarks evidenced by the following post.
However, that doesn't mean there is a place for needless bickering or flaming in this thread, and more importantly in this league. I think we have strayed away from what makes this league so fun and so successful. This is a poor reflection on us as managers and as a league, especially to those new GM's and any prospective Gm's.
Any rule changes will be discussed after the drafts, and once all the dust settles. Right now we need to focus on the off-season, so lets keep things civil.
After which I unlocked the thread once everybody calmed down and asked for suggestions on a veto system (as I have done now) and nobody replied.
Since there are a few weeks left before the Waiver Draft, I have decided it a good time to start discussing some of the league changes/additions that need to be made for this upcoming season.
The first issue that we will address is one that has already been mentioned and discussed briefly: veto system
I am opening this thread back up under the conditions that there isn't any finger pointing or unnecessary inflammatory remarks. The idea of this thread is to better league system under which we all abide.
Discuss.
Inflammatory remarks came from Chris - Capitals after Robyn - Flames said he was unskilled for making the deal with you. Yeah, that's the thing with garbage like this. People get sick of it. They become disinterested. They get discouraged. When enough time passes they forget about it. People want to forget and sweep it under the rug evidenced by Tyler - Jets' response. Locking the threads served as a means to make people forget. We never talked it through, nothing was resolved, history doomed to repeat itself except now you're on the other side because you aren't involved in the trade and it benefits you to have the trade vetoed this time.
It really gets old saying this, and repeating myself ad nauseam is a huge waste of time, but you are either intentionally attempting to distort facts to drive a narrartive, or you are just completely clueless. My guess is that it is a little bit of both.
Naaah, you're lost and can't be found. Sad. I actually thought you had something worthwhile to say, what an idiot I was for thinking that when I saw your post. You've said literally nothing, nothing that supports your delusional narrative and you've been expertly thwarted yet again and I'll continue to do so if you choose to keep replying. All you've done is dig your hole deeper and the stunning thing is you don't even know you're digging! Smarten up. You're only doing a disservice to yourself now. Go ahead and Google Vetoes in Fantasy Leagues and tell me what you see, 95% of what you see is people saying no real man vetoes trades, people who say vetoes destroy a league's credibility, people who say vetoes should be reserved only for cheating, people who say that people who veto are doing it for themselves, people who write articles condemning vetoes and the people who perpetrate them, people who say vetoes are archaic. Nobody...likes...vetoes.
I will GLADLY accept this bet. Not just for my 1st Round, but for every round in the Entry Draft with certain injury/games played caveats taken into consideration on both sides and with the understanding that you are wagering the same.
🤣 It would be like you to try to get something out of it instead of straight up sticking to your convictions in an effort to prove a point. Nah, nah, nah, this isn't a bet proposal. You fucked me over. I don't know who is gonna be better in 3 years because I believe it's a fair trade. The reason Bob got the extra first was because Pastrnak is ready now, I wouldn't have to wait years by acquiring him like I'll have to wait for Batherson. It was a question of 'Do you want to be better now or in the future?' You believe, strongly enough to veto, that there is no fucking way Batherson ever comes close to supplanting Pastrnak's production, nevermind over the next 3 seasons. So you shouldn't even worry about it, right? Just put up those picks then and prove a point. Nothing to worry about...if you're right. If you really believe in what you're saying you'll agree to this. Cheers! 🍻
Oh yeah, as far as your lame little reply in your fake trade thread that you're using to divert attention away from the major issues here that I will not reply in but I'll reply here briefly...Batherson is younger than Fiala. Batherson has been in the NHL for 184 games to Fiala's 462 games. Fiala has played in more games this season. Fiala is 5'10", Batherson is 6'3". Fiala has never scored 19 PPP in any season he's played in, Batherson has already done it in less than half a season. Batherson crushes shitty Fiala all day every day. I know you like Fiala, that's cool man, you're free to like him! I told you that already! You don't have to try to convince yourself! Stand by your man! 😎