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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 7, 2023 1:54:26 GMT -5
To Washington: Dany Heatley Niklas Backstrom (The goalie!) Michael Grabner To Ottawa: Anze Kopitar Pekka Rinne 2011 1st Round Waiver How about this stunning trade? It happened so long ago I feel I should link the thread to illustrate some context and also show that the trade had way more of an uproar and 'concern raised' than the Batherson/Pastrnak deal including comments from Derrick's buddy Robyn - Flames who hated it more than anybody. Not only did Derrick not listen to anybody but he locked the thread! nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/676/washington-ottawa-blockbusterCheck it. It's all there for those that care about truth. Imagine if you didn't make any deals with Derrick, how much better would your team actually be? People need to open their eyes a lot more to what's actually going on here. It's bush league shit and unacceptable cowardly behavior that is literally ruining the league putting several teams into questionable status as far as legitimacy goes. And yet there was no follow up after the trade was completed per usual. People just want to be outraged and then go into hiding when the initial reaction is proven to be overblown. You act as if Backstrom wasn't a top goalie in the league (70th overall ranked for all players) and Heatley wasn't a top winger in the league (40th ranked overall) the following season. Spoiler: they were. Chris even managed to flip a terrible goalie like Backstrom for Alexander Semin later in the year who was ranked even higher (top 8 winger, 31st overall league wide). Clueless.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 7, 2023 3:27:08 GMT -5
AT THE TIME OF THE TRADES the FUTURE values of the players are UNKNOWN. Gee...what a novel concept. Intriguing stuff! đ€ That aside, you are cherry-picking the trades that I have guessed right. Huh, who would have given me that idea? I have "lost" just as many trades as I have "won" but you are conveniently choosing to overlook those. You'd never do that to me, right? Right?!? Wait, wait, wait...you did a couple weeks ago. Almost forgot. That's the list of trades you found that you feel were the best? Wow. And yet there was no follow up after the trade was completed per usual. What do you mean? You ignored everybody and silenced them by locking the thread and didn't follow up with a Veto thread due to 'concerns raised' within the thread by not just one manager but multiple managers, 'concerns raised' are the words you used as the reason you put up a Veto thread for my trade. When the concerns are raised in your direction it's not deemed valid? Do you think you handled that situation the same as mine or what? You act as if Backstrom wasn't a top goalie in the league (70th overall ranked for all players) and Heatley wasn't a top winger in the league (40th ranked overall) the following season. Spoiler: they were. Chris even managed to flip a terrible goalie like Backstrom for Alexander Semin later in the year who was ranked even higher (top 8 winger, 31st overall league wide). See how everybody has an opinion? Let me be clear...er, because my message really seems to be lost in translation here for some peculiar reason, I don't actually give a shit about any of the trades you've made. That's the point. I have all of the clues. đ Cheers! đ»
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Post by Tyler - Jets on Jan 7, 2023 11:25:17 GMT -5
Nos youâre an unbelievable Fantasy GM but sometimes you just need to let things beâŠ. You make it seem like only you ever make good trades. You bash so many other trades that GMâs are comfortable making. Looking over that other thread with overturned âVetoedâ trades you lead the discussions and made sure good players didnât end up on deserving teams to compete against you. Then when other GMâs come after you for an âunfairâ trade youâre bitter. The hypocrisy is where I stop paying attention to all of these threads. Every GM in this league is capable of making trades and managing their roster how they see fit regardless of anyoneâs outlandish or fair opinions. Iâm still strongly for no more Vetoing. Letâs all grow up and be accountable for whatever decisions we make that turn out good or badâŠ. This is 80% of the fun of this league wheeling and dealing!! That fun gets taken away by never ending criticism of moves made both past and present. It has been awhile since weâve had a Derrick vs. Nos banter thread and I will say it is mildly entertaining lol!!
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jan 7, 2023 14:44:12 GMT -5
Iâm still strongly for no more Vetoing. I second this motion, let's end it once and for all.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 8, 2023 3:23:31 GMT -5
Copley sucks as well, nobody be stupid enough to make a deal for that bum, holy fuck. Another undrafted bum who is over 30 as well, he's trash, I actually don't know how you aren't embarrassed to have him on your roster at all. What does being undrafted have to do with anything? You do realize Sergei Bobrovsky was undrafted? Also bums Ed BelfourâŠDwayne RolosonâŠCurtis JosephâŠJonas HillerâŠetc. Dominik Hasek would have been undrafted as well under the current format. Furthermore, Copley leads the entire league in wins over the past 30 days that he has become the starter. How that can be argued as âtrashâ in any context is beyond me. The majority of your arguments are riddled with rhetoric and hyperbole in the absence of fact or objective analysis. This is another perfect example of that.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 8, 2023 8:38:15 GMT -5
Nos youâre an unbelievable Fantasy GM but sometimes you just need to let things beâŠ. Why? Why should I? Why are you trying to silence me anyway? There's always a reason. I'm just replying to replies. Feel free to stop replying if you want things to stop. I've said what I need to say, I've made my point even if it falls on deaf ears or is misunderstood by everybody that reads it. I still have to say it. I see something that's wrong and I say something about it. This doesn't just come from out of nowhere from nothing, there's a reason for it, people feel fine to ignore it or make excuses for it. Cool. Maybe there are some people who get something from it or maybe some of these thoughts bleed through, maybe not, but I still have to try to make things better and right wrongs. This all started with two words 'Nice trade.', that's it, why did this blow up to what it is right now anyway? There's a reason, there's always a reason. Why was Derrick even defensive about it in the first place? 'Nice trade.' A seed was planted with more revelations sprouting. You make it seem like only you ever make good trades. What? How? Where did this thought even come from? I've said it before and I'll say it again, we all make good and bad trades, all of us. That's the point. You can pick and choose trades from out of the past and paint a picture of someone in any way that you choose if you keep your focus solely on the narrative you're pushing rather than looking at the whole picture. Again, this is what Derrick did to me a couple of weeks ago. This was a reciprocation of recent events to allow Derrick to feel as I felt. Nothing more. I was also able to find a similar situation and thread from out of the past that makes Derrick a hypocrite in this scenario. A trade that was questioned by multiple managers and Derrick ignored everybody and continues to ignore it to this day, he didn't put up a Veto thread but instead locked the thread. He certainly didn't treat each situation the same. Remember when he was asked if he would treat every manager in the same manner and he said that he would? Well, that was proven to be false with that find wasn't it? I make it seem like only I make good trades? I've made terrible trades, trades that hurt my team dramatically, trading has been a detriment to my team not an advantage. Here's a few of the bad trades I've made where my trading partner schooled me good... To Winnipeg: Patrice Bergeron 2008 1st Round Prospect ( San Jose) To San Jose: Keeper Slot 2008 1st Round Prospect ( Winnipeg) I accept. To Toronto: Ryan O'Reilly David Desharnais 2012 1st Round Entry 2012 1st Round Waiver 2012 3rd Round Waiver To San Jose: Scott Hartnell Keeper Slot I accept. To Winnipeg: Victor Hedman Zac Dalpe Travis Hamonic 2012 2nd Round Waiver 2012 3rd Round Waiver To San Jose: Keeper Slot I accept. To Anaheim: John Carlson Daniel Alfredsson To San Jose: 2013 1st Round Entry 2013 3rd Round Entry I accept. To Winnipeg: 2013 1st Round Entry (SJ) 2013 3rd Round Waiver To San Jose: Andrew Ladd I accept. To Minnesota: Cory Schneider Charlie McAvoy 2018 2nd Round Entry To San Jose: Patrik Laine I accept. To Anaheim: Jake Guentzel Vince Dunn Alexander Kerfoot Jaroslav Halak To San Jose: 2019 1st Round Entry 2019 2nd Round Entry I accept. To Winnipeg: Tristan Jarry 2019 6th Round Waiver (65th Overall) To San Jose: Alex Nedeljkovic I accept. So...there's plenty of good and bad out there. I don't think only I make good trades at all, what I do know is I've never made a trade that should have ever been considered for veto. Wow, looking back at some of these trades again made me appreciate something I realized a while back...eliminating the trading of Keeper Slots was such a good thing for me. Good grief. đź You bash so many other trades that GMâs are comfortable making. There's a big difference between having an opinion on a trade and putting a trade up for veto. Looking over that other thread with overturned âVetoedâ trades you lead the discussions and made sure good players didnât end up on deserving teams to compete against you. What are you specifically referring to? I'm lost on this one. If I lead the discussions it's because nobody else is speaking, when the league started managers said way more, paragraphs, they put in effort. Today we typically get a sentence or two if we get anything at all. I'm providing my opinion and I believe with an opinion you should be able to speak about it at length and give information to support what you're saying. I made sure good players didn't end up on deserving teams? Where? Are you referring to that one veto thread that involved you and I believe he was your friend, Mike? If I remember correctly without referencing it, that was right around the time of the Laine/McAvoy BS and I was likely pissed off badly because of it. If I'm saying something it's just my personal opinion on the matter, if I wanted any trades vetoed back then it was likely because there was something peculiar about them or I also could have been wrong to have the opinion I had back then. I can't remember every scenario but I'm also man enough to admit when I'm wrong and would do so if it was warranted. When have I kept good players off deserving teams recently? When was the last time? It feels like it would have been years and years ago, I've allowed managers to do as they please for a long period of time now. I haven't said a word other than opinion. Then when other GMâs come after you for an âunfairâ trade youâre bitter. I want the same exact thing you want man, no more vetoes, that's it. I don't want other managers meddling in an illegal manner. I want everybody to be treated the exact same way. That's the only way integrity prevails. If I'm bitter it's because these fundamental laws of fair competition are being threatened. Every GM in this league is capable of making trades and managing their roster how they see fit regardless of anyoneâs outlandish or fair opinions. Iâm still strongly for no more Vetoing. Letâs all grow up and be accountable for whatever decisions we make that turn out good or badâŠ. Completely agree, we're on the same page. This is 80% of the fun of this league wheeling and dealing!! Woah! Let's not go nuts! Maybe 20% of the fun. đ That fun gets taken away by never ending criticism of moves made both past and present. I don't know, I find some fun in this, at least we're talking. It's fun to talk about trades past and present. It would be cool to utilize awards at the end of the year even, Best/Worst Trade of the Last 5 Years? 10 Years?? 15 Years?!? Wow, we've been around a long time. It has been awhile since weâve had a Derrick vs. Nos banter thread and I will say it is mildly entertaining lol!! đ Iâm still strongly for no more Vetoing. I second this motion, let's end it once and for all. Agreed! What does being undrafted have to do with anything? You do realize Sergei Bobrovsky was undrafted? Also bums Ed BelfourâŠDwayne RolosonâŠCurtis JosephâŠJonas HillerâŠetc. Dominik Hasek would have been undrafted as well under the current format. Furthermore, Copley leads the entire league in wins over the past 30 days that he has become the starter. How that can be argued as âtrashâ in any context is beyond me. The majority of your arguments are riddled with rhetoric and hyperbole in the absence of fact or objective analysis. This is another perfect example of that. That's really the list you found? That all? Seems super short. Maybe Phoenix Copley will be the next Dwayne Roloson! đ€ The past 30 days you say? Wow. I hope you do keep him around. I guess we'll really see what you think of him right? You gonna keep him? I mean...if he's so good. He'll at least be on your team right to the end of the season, right? I mean...if he's so good. We shall see. By the way, why have you not learned any new words in almost 20 years? Still using that rhetoric beauty huh? I suppose I do have the ability to use language effectively. đ Cheers! đ»
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 8, 2023 13:23:49 GMT -5
By the way, why have you not learned any new words in almost 20 years? Still using that rhetoric beauty huh? I suppose I do have the ability to use language effectively. đ Cheers! đ» I havenât needed to âlearn any new wordsâ in almost 20 years because your behavior hasnât changed in almost 20 years.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 8, 2023 15:14:59 GMT -5
I was also able to find a similar situation and thread from out of the past that makes Derrick a hypocrite in this scenario. A trade that was questioned by multiple managers and Derrick ignored everybody and continues to ignore it to this day, he didn't put up a Veto thread but instead locked the thread. He certainly didn't treat each situation the same. Remember when he was asked if he would treat every manager in the same manner and he said that he would? Well, that was proven to be false with that find wasn't it? I am ignoring this because you are providing incomplete and disingenuous information in attempt to drive your narrative like you ALWAYS do. The thread was actually locked because the league called for the veto talk to âcoolâ off and go away so we could resume focusing on the season as evidenced by the dialogue in the following two trades threads that occurred immediately after the trade in question WHICH WERE ALSO LOCKED. nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/678/detroit-carolina-blockbuster nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/680/carolina-winnipeg-tradeMe âignoringâ this was actually to your benefit, but since you wonât let it go, I donât mind exposing you for the charlatan that you are once again. Cheers! đ»
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 8, 2023 16:45:03 GMT -5
By the way, why have you not learned any new words in almost 20 years? Still using that rhetoric beauty huh? I suppose I do have the ability to use language effectively. đ Cheers! đ» I havenât needed to âlearn any new wordsâ in almost 20 years because your behavior hasnât changed in almost 20 years. He admits it! Ho-ly Christ! đ€Ł I was also able to find a similar situation and thread from out of the past that makes Derrick a hypocrite in this scenario. A trade that was questioned by multiple managers and Derrick ignored everybody and continues to ignore it to this day, he didn't put up a Veto thread but instead locked the thread. He certainly didn't treat each situation the same. Remember when he was asked if he would treat every manager in the same manner and he said that he would? Well, that was proven to be false with that find wasn't it? I am ignoring this because you are providing incomplete and disingenuous information in attempt to drive your narrative like you ALWAYS do. The thread was actually locked because the league called for the veto talk to âcoolâ off and go away so we could resume focusing on the season as evidenced by the dialogue in the following two trades threads that occurred immediately after the trade in question WHICH WERE ALSO LOCKED. nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/678/detroit-carolina-blockbuster nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/680/carolina-winnipeg-tradeMe âignoringâ this was actually to your benefit, but since you wonât let it go, I donât mind exposing you for the charlatan that you are once again. Cheers! đ» What a bizarre post this is. đ That first thread is literally you alone, being butt hurt, saying to veto a fair trade that everybody else corrected you on and stated as such within the thread. No controversy like your trade thread. The second thread is a basic trade that had zero comments made in it. This being 'proof' of your narrative is incorrect. Talk about providing disingenuous and incomplete zero information in an attempt to drive your narrative like you ALWAYS do. The league called for the veto talk to 'cool' off huh? You sure that wasn't just Mark telling you to settle down? You know, since you were butt hurt? Did you allow veto talks to 'cool off' with my trade? Nope. Was there 'concern raised' in your trade thread, yes or no? This is more proof of you ignoring the issue at hand and not listening. More proof of you doing things differently when it comes to me and you. More proof of you making literally any and every excuse in the book to dodge any blame whatsoever for your conduct. I hope managers are actually looking into what you're claiming here instead of just reading this quick glib nonsense and taking it at face value. I honestly don't know how you can feel good about what you're doing. Maybe you feel like your back is against the wall and there's no way out but that isn't true, there's always a way back, nobody would think differently of you if you just admit your conduct was not consistent with this scenario. Admitting it would go a long way to showing you want what's best for the league moving forward. Also, don't copy me man, you need to find your own way! Cheers! đ»
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 8, 2023 16:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 8, 2023 18:42:12 GMT -5
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 8, 2023 18:56:50 GMT -5
Sooo funny! đ€Ł What a great show huh? Just the best.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jan 8, 2023 19:09:41 GMT -5
Iâm still strongly for no more Vetoing. I second this motion, let's end it once and for all. Agreed! Is a quarter of the NAFHL enough concern raised from the league to at least express an acknowledgment?
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 8, 2023 19:24:26 GMT -5
Is a quarter of the NAFHL enough concern raised from the league to at least express an acknowledgment? As much as we collectively dislike vetoes, it is not realistic to get rid of them completely. I am not sure there is a perfect solution, but whatever that system looks like, I am open to suggestions. The long-term preservation of the league is the ultimate goal here. There isnât anything preventing a new manager or a series of new managers coming into the league and making a couple bad trades that cause irreversible damage for the next decadeâŠand then quitting when things donât work out for them. No sweat off their back, but our league is harmed, potentially ruined, depending on severity. One might say vetting new potential managers is something that is the commissionerâs responsibility and that it is on me to hire âcompetentâ managers. While that sounds good in theory, it isnât that easy in practice. It isnât always evident how a prospective manager will react in any given situation upon hiring, regardless of hockey knowledge. It would be simple for me to hire a bunch of managers who have my same philosophy on fantasy hockey, but that would be boring and make the league stale. I believe in a diverse league, with multiple different philosophies and strategies, but with that comes questionable trades (regardless of philosophy) from new managers who donât fully understand the league and how assets are valued as they relate to our settings. For that reason, some sort of system must be in place to preserve the integrity of the league.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 8, 2023 19:47:11 GMT -5
What you fail to understand is that what you're doing is jeopardizing the integrity of the league. You can ignore it all you want but that's the truth. You're personally picking and choosing. Also ignoring concerns and questions. Did you treat your trade in the same manner as mine, yes or no? Was concern raised in your trade thread, yes or no? Do other NHL teams have a say in how other NHL teams make trades? No, and there's an obvious reason why. If teams make bad trades the people in charge are evaluated by a collective and replaced if need be. That's how it has to work. You aren't running every single team in the league and you should have no say in how anybody wants to freely operate. You need to trust everybody. You need to understand that we're adults and don't need to be babysat. Everybody in this league is competent until proven otherwise. If you actually feel competence is lacking why do the managers still have jobs?
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 8, 2023 22:01:33 GMT -5
What you fail to understand is that what you're doing is jeopardizing the integrity of the league. You can ignore it all you want but that's the truth. You're personally picking and choosing. Also ignoring concerns and questions. Did you treat your trade in the same manner as mine, yes or no? Was concern raised in your trade thread, yes or no? Do other NHL teams have a say in how other NHL teams make trades? No, and there's an obvious reason why. If teams make bad trades the people in charge are evaluated by a collective and replaced if need be. That's how it has to work. You aren't running every single team in the league and you should have no say in how anybody wants to freely operate. You need to trust everybody. You need to understand that we're adults and don't need to be babysat. Everybody in this league is competent until proven otherwise. If you actually feel competence is lacking why do the managers still have jobs? My trade and your trade were made under different circumstances and not comparable in my opinion. Also, the thread wasnât locked because I was ignoring questions or concerns. Things I have already explained. I donât really feel like it it necessary to continue to repeat myself. More importantly, our league is not structured exactly like the NHL. If an NHL team makes a bad trade or series of bad trades, they canât quit the league. Also, there are 19 more teams in the NHL than there are in our league, with larger minor league rosters and a salary cap that all greatly influence how the respective leagues operate. Something we have also been over. Additionally, another thing we have already been over but I guess I have to touch on it again and that is, I am not running every single team in the league. I did not veto your trade. The league did. I am not single handedly criticizing your methods or morals. The league is. You talk about me taking accountability, but I think it is you who needs to take a look in the mirror and stop reducing this to your victimhood at the hands of some tyrannical commissioner. Itâs deluded and dishonest.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jan 8, 2023 22:25:24 GMT -5
I did not veto your trade. The league did. For the record, the Sharks/Kraken trade wasn't even vetoed, it was settled amongst the two parties involved. Chris - Capitals essentially voted twice stating he voted "no" for a veto and voted "no" for was it a fair trade. Just thought I'd throw that out there as this was a unique situation and wasn't actually officially vetoed in my opinion.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 8, 2023 22:56:46 GMT -5
My trade and your trade were made under different circumstances and not comparable in my opinion. Also, the thread wasnât locked because I was ignoring questions or concerns. Things I have already explained. I donât really feel like it it necessary to continue to repeat myself. Why aren't they comparable? Give reasons for your statements or they're invalid. You still haven't answered my questions. Still. Was there concern raised with your trade in that thread, yes or no? Stop dodging and answer the question. That's what we're debating here, if there was concern raised for my trade then there sure as HELL was concern raised for yours. You will not answer the question because you know what the answer would mean. If you were to say no there was no concern raised then you're just a bald-faced liar because the replies are there for all to see. You locked the thread to silence replies and processed your trade, period. More importantly, our league is not structured exactly like the NHL. If an NHL team makes a bad trade or series of bad trades, they canât quit the league. Also, there are 19 more teams in the NHL than there are in our league, with larger minor league rosters and a salary cap that all greatly influence how the respective leagues operate. Something we have also been over. They can't quit the league? Sure they can. They can also be fired. Bad trades happen all the time and cost jobs, the teams move on and survive, the teams are put in a better position to draft higher as well, where the real talent is to turn a team around. Additionally, another thing we have already been over but I guess I have to touch on it again and that is, I am not running every single team in the league. I did not veto your trade. The league did. I am not single handedly criticizing your methods or morals. The league is. You talk about me taking accountability, but I think it is you who needs to take a look in the mirror and stop reducing this to your victimhood at the hands of some tyrannical commissioner. Itâs deluded and dishonest. You're telling people what to do. That isn't your right. People can do as they please without interference and without having their minds polluted by bad opinions. How many bad opinions have you had over the years anyway? The list is literally endless. You could not comb over the entire league to even find them all. The trade wasn't vetoed. Bob and I amicably resolved the issue ourselves...and you say I'm the problem, I'm the guy without integrity. It could never be you who illegally and deliberately influenced an outcome and then didn't do the same thing in the past when it came to your trade, making you a straight up hypocrite. Tell you what, if you're so sure that the trade was veto worthy you'd have no problem putting up your 1st Round Entry pick for this purpose, should Batherson ever out point or out rank Pastrnak over the next 3 seasons I get your 1st. Hell, this should be applied to every single manager that voted to veto the trade. Put up or shut up.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 9, 2023 3:30:33 GMT -5
My trade and your trade were made under different circumstances and not comparable in my opinion. Also, the thread wasnât locked because I was ignoring questions or concerns. Things I have already explained. I donât really feel like it it necessary to continue to repeat myself. Why aren't they comparable? Give reasons for your statements or they're invalid. You still haven't answered my questions. Still. Was there concern raised with your trade in that thread, yes or no? Stop dodging and answer the question. That's what we're debating here, if there was concern raised for my trade then there sure as HELL was concern raised for yours. You will not answer the question because you know what the answer would mean. If you were to say no there was no concern raised then you're just a bald-faced liar because the replies are there for all to see. You locked the thread to silence replies and processed your trade, period. *sigh* It is different for a number of reasons. 1.) Chris was already a multi-year established manager making a deal. He had a better understanding of the league and was much more likely to stick around if things went south. Bob is/was brand new and still finding his footing/learning the landscape of the league. That is not a knock on Bob, that is just the nature of the beast. It takes most managers 1-2 years to really settle in, regardless of skill level. 2.) The league as a whole walked back on it's initial response calling for peace in the league because the threads that were started led to insulting one another and inflammatory remarks. The league was pretty firm in it's response to yours. Let's be clear, not a SINGLE manager thought your deal was good, you only got votes because people fundamentally disagreed with vetoes. personally, I always liked Z more... but that's just my opinion. I think we all just need to take a deep breath from the whole veto issues going on this past week or so. In any case, I'd like to keep the thread free of controversy for once, the deal was struck in a very smooth and amicable fashion and I'm quite sure both GM's are happy with what they got. There's nothing wrong with debating the deal, but if your "opinion" is one f-in line with three words in it why not just keep it to yourself? It's not like its going to contribute to anything anyway. Of course this sort of stuff is quite common in fantasy hockey leagues and competition tends to bring out the worst in people, but that doesnt mean that NAFHL couldnt hold higher standards than some of the other leagues out there. Again, I will reiterate. ALL OF THE TRADE THREADS WERE LOCKED (not just mine) to prevent the unnecessary insults and inflammatory remarks that were occurring at the time. I will link them again for you to not acknowledge. nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/678/detroit-carolina-blockbusternafhl2.proboards.com/thread/680/carolina-winnipeg-tradeAs well as this non-trade thread pertaining to Vetoes that you claim doesn't exist. nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/679/vetosThis thread was also locked due to insults and inflammatory remarks evidenced by the following post. However, that doesn't mean there is a place for needless bickering or flaming in this thread, and more importantly in this league. I think we have strayed away from what makes this league so fun and so successful. This is a poor reflection on us as managers and as a league, especially to those new GM's and any prospective Gm's. Any rule changes will be discussed after the drafts, and once all the dust settles. Right now we need to focus on the off-season, so lets keep things civil. After which I unlocked the thread once everybody calmed down and asked for suggestions on a veto system (as I have done now) and nobody replied. Since there are a few weeks left before the Waiver Draft, I have decided it a good time to start discussing some of the league changes/additions that need to be made for this upcoming season. The first issue that we will address is one that has already been mentioned and discussed briefly: veto system I am opening this thread back up under the conditions that there isn't any finger pointing or unnecessary inflammatory remarks. The idea of this thread is to better league system under which we all abide. Discuss. It really gets old saying this, and repeating myself ad nauseam is a huge waste of time, but you are either intentionally attempting to distort facts to drive a narrartive, or you are just completely clueless. My guess is that it is a little bit of both.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 9, 2023 3:39:53 GMT -5
Tell you what, if you're so sure that the trade was veto worthy you'd have no problem putting up your 1st Round Entry pick for this purpose, should Batherson ever out point or out rank Pastrnak over the next 3 seasons I get your 1st. Hell, this should be applied to every single manager that voted to veto the trade. Put up or shut up. I will GLADLY accept this bet. Not just for my 1st Round, but for every round in the Entry Draft with certain injury/games played caveats taken into consideration on both sides and with the understanding that you are wagering the same.
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