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Post by Chris - Capitals on Feb 6, 2021 23:12:14 GMT -5
Washington Trades:
Hintz 2021 5th Waiver
To Ottawa for
Lankinen Chychrun
Washington Accepts
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Feb 6, 2021 23:30:39 GMT -5
Accepted.
Farewell Kevin, I barely got to know you.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 5, 2023 23:20:15 GMT -5
Nice trade.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 6, 2023 0:12:32 GMT -5
I know right! Huge leap of faith I took on a prospect coming off a 33 point in 60 game season, giving up a 24 year old starting goalie (the most important position in our league) who just played 37 games and a 22 year old defenseman who just scored 41 points in 53 games. There is a HUGE difference in trading for assets BEFORE THEY BREAKOUT (which is the case here), and waiting until they are a top 5 talent in the league and trying to acquire them for peanuts (which is what you do). Foresight vs. hindsight. There is absolutely zero things even remotely close about this trade and your most recent one.
This post is unnecessary. Stop being a troll. Just get better and compete. Be a beast with integrity. I'll be up here at the top if you ever figure it out...waiting for my goalies to post those sub .900 numbers.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 6, 2023 0:46:31 GMT -5
Spin it baby! Didn't you criticize me for the Pettersson trade before either player was anything? Hmmm. Or the Laine/McAvoy trade? Hmmm. I just said nice trade, alright? What's this before they breakout broken record you have going here anyway? You saw my drafts, you've seen yours, how many times you gotta be told something? Sheesh. Quit your scared meddling. It doesn't make you look weak, it makes you weak. Pot. Kettle. Black. All that matters is this trade looks super good in the end. Got your best player for Lankinen & Chychrun, wow. Crazy. I was his original scout though, not you. Just giving this nice trade some attention!
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 6, 2023 1:29:11 GMT -5
By the way, even a little more true information since you love to distort facts and anything you say really needs to be cross referenced evidenced by numerous mistakes noted throughout the years. You signed Lankinen on January 27th and traded him 10 days later to Chris on February 6th. The undrafted bum had played in just 8 total games to that point and finished the year with a shitty 3.01 GAA anyway. The next year saw him play even worse sporting a 3.50 GAA & .891 SV%. A useless asset. As far as Chychrun goes, wrong again, at the time you traded him he had scored 8 points in 11 games, sure, but he was not a 40-point defenseman at the time of the trade. He had topped out at 26 points for his career best and hasn't been good since, not a 40-point defenseman since and certainly not a Roope Hintz. You traded Chychrun because he sucked and his eligibility ran out, he was useless on your team so you traded for a younger and better player. A prospect and free keeper, a player on a heater. It's all there to see. The 1st Round Entry pick alone is worth way more than this shitty package you gave Chris. Also, Batherson is a fucking STAR! Love the guy! Talk about beasts, outdid Pasta's recent streak too by games and points, he's gonna be EYE POPPING just like my Entry Drafts! The only difference between him and some of the biggest stars in the entire league is his terrible +/- numbers...but that will improve. Peanuts! You need to get a clue...for real. Cheers bud-dy!
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jan 6, 2023 1:36:00 GMT -5
By the way, even a little more true information since you love to distort facts and anything you say really needs to be cross referenced evidenced by numerous mistakes noted throughout the years. You signed Lankinen on January 27th and traded him 10 days later to Chris on February 6th. The undrafted bum had played in just 8 total games to that point and finished the year with a shitty 3.01 GAA anyway. The next year saw him play even worse sporting a 3.50 GAA & .891 SV%. A useless asset. As far as Chychrun goes, wrong again, at the time you traded him he had scored 8 points in 11 games, sure, but he was not a 40-point defenseman at the time of the trade. He had topped out at 26 points for his career best and hasn't been good since, not a 40-point defenseman since and certainly not a Roope Hintz. You traded Chychrun because he sucked and his eligibility ran out, he was useless on your team so you traded for a younger and better player. A prospect and free keeper, a player on a heater. It's all there to see. The 1st Round Entry pick alone is worth way more than this shitty package you gave Chris. Also, Batherson is a fucking STAR! Love the guy! Talk about beasts, outdid Pasta's recent streak too by games and points, he's gonna be EYE POPPING just like my Entry Drafts! The only difference between him and some of the biggest stars in the entire league is his terrible +/- numbers...but that will improve. Peanuts! You need to get a clue...for real. Cheers bud-dy! Do your research kids!!! 😁
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 6, 2023 17:06:50 GMT -5
If you want true information, at the time of the trade:
Lankinen: 4 Wins 1 Loss and 3 OTL with a .933 save% and a 2.37 GAA when I was losing matchups due to not making goalie starts because a number of my goalies went down in our covid year. The "bum" had only played in 8 total games that year because he was only 24 he was their 3rd string goalie who came out of nowhere due the covid circumstances and played well.
Chychrun 244 GP with 29 goals and 57 assist on a terrible Coyotes team however, he was showing solid improvement year over year. .28, .38, and .41 PPG in the 3 years prior to the trade. Hasn't been good since? 41 points in the 56 game shortened season. Last year injured all season but still put up 21 in 47, had surgery in the offseason is now healthy and has 18 in 21.
Hintz 124 GP 30 goals and 32 assist. I had picked him up for nothing after the waiver draft and he hadn't done much to that point was also quite injured that year and there was talk about him being shut down because of it.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 6, 2023 18:58:24 GMT -5
By the way, even a little more true information since you love to distort facts and anything you say really needs to be cross referenced evidenced by numerous mistakes noted throughout the years. You signed Lankinen on January 27th and traded him 10 days later to Chris on February 6th. The undrafted bum had played in just 8 total games to that point and finished the year with a shitty 3.01 GAA anyway. The next year saw him play even worse sporting a 3.50 GAA & .891 SV%. A useless asset. As far as Chychrun goes, wrong again, at the time you traded him he had scored 8 points in 11 games, sure, but he was not a 40-point defenseman at the time of the trade. He had topped out at 26 points for his career best and hasn't been good since, not a 40-point defenseman since and certainly not a Roope Hintz. You traded Chychrun because he sucked and his eligibility ran out, he was useless on your team so you traded for a younger and better player. A prospect and free keeper, a player on a heater. It's all there to see. The 1st Round Entry pick alone is worth way more than this shitty package you gave Chris. Also, Batherson is a fucking STAR! Love the guy! Talk about beasts, outdid Pasta's recent streak too by games and points, he's gonna be EYE POPPING just like my Entry Drafts! The only difference between him and some of the biggest stars in the entire league is his terrible +/- numbers...but that will improve. Peanuts! You need to get a clue...for real. Cheers bud-dy! It doesn’t matter how many days Lankinen was on my team, nothing about what I said was untrue. He was, at the time, a young starting goalie in the league. How many days he was on my team is irrelevant. Are you going to argue Copley isn’t the starter for the LA Kings too even though he has only been on my team for a couple weeks? Also, like Lankinen, Chuchrun was never on my farm team. Eligibility was never an issue. You don’t know what you are talking about per usual.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 6, 2023 18:59:19 GMT -5
If you want true information, at the time of the trade: Lankinen: 4 Wins 1 Loss and 3 OTL with a .933 save% and a 2.37 GAA when I was losing matchups due to not making goalie starts because a number of my goalies went down in our covid year. The "bum" had only played in 8 total games that year because he was only 24 he was their 3rd string goalie who came out of nowhere due the covid circumstances and played well. Chychrun 244 GP with 29 goals and 57 assist on a terrible Coyotes team however, he was showing solid improvement year over year. .28, .38, and .41 PPG in the 3 years prior to the trade. Hasn't been good since? 41 points in the 56 game shortened season. Last year injured all season but still put up 21 in 47, had surgery in the offseason is now healthy and has 18 in 21. Hintz 124 GP 30 goals and 32 assist. I had picked him up for nothing after the waiver draft and he hadn't done much to that point was also quite injured that year and there was talk about him being shut down because of it. Facts
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 6, 2023 19:12:00 GMT -5
Are you actually saying you've assessed this trade well? Lankinen is an undrafted bum and has performed horribly. Just because he had a reasonably competent start doesn't mean anything more than that, he fell off a cliff after that (which could have been easily ascertained) and Derrick had him rostered for 10 days, you could have picked him up yourself if you assessed him to be a quality asset or better yet you could have been more prepared before the season started with goaltending so you weren't handcuffed into accepting a crippling trade for a bum. You think those numbers are good for Chychrun? You think he's healthy and performing well this season? He's ranked 288th best player 'healthy and playing well'. You realize Hintz is ranked the 9th best player, right? You got schooled by Derrick, schooled! You always get schooled by him and that's not me being a prick, that's just the straight up truth and I'm surprised that you're making excuses for it and that you aren't more pissed off at him and his scheming to deplete your roster of your goodies! To Washington: Oscar Klefbom 2020 3rd Round Entry To Ottawa: Kevin Fiala Another good one! To Washington: P.K. Subban Petr Mrazek To Ottawa: Tom Wilson 2020 6th Round Waiver Another beauty! Maybe you think Tom Wilson sucks like I do but at the time of the trade his ranks were... 2019-2020: 36th 2020-2021: 38th 2021-2022: 57th ...and he was a Keeper for Derrick for several years. I don't think I need to tell you how shitty Subban & Mrazek are. To Washington: Dany Heatley Niklas Backstrom (The goalie!) Michael Grabner To Ottawa: Anze Kopitar Pekka Rinne 2011 1st Round Waiver How about this stunning trade? It happened so long ago I feel I should link the thread to illustrate some context and also show that the trade had way more of an uproar and 'concern raised' than the Batherson/Pastrnak deal including comments from Derrick's buddy Robyn - Flames who hated it more than anybody. Not only did Derrick not listen to anybody but he locked the thread! nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/676/washington-ottawa-blockbusterCheck it. It's all there for those that care about truth. Imagine if you didn't make any deals with Derrick, how much better would your team actually be? People need to open their eyes a lot more to what's actually going on here. It's bush league shit and unacceptable cowardly behavior that is literally ruining the league putting several teams into questionable status as far as legitimacy goes.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 6, 2023 19:27:11 GMT -5
By the way, even a little more true information since you love to distort facts and anything you say really needs to be cross referenced evidenced by numerous mistakes noted throughout the years. You signed Lankinen on January 27th and traded him 10 days later to Chris on February 6th. The undrafted bum had played in just 8 total games to that point and finished the year with a shitty 3.01 GAA anyway. The next year saw him play even worse sporting a 3.50 GAA & .891 SV%. A useless asset. As far as Chychrun goes, wrong again, at the time you traded him he had scored 8 points in 11 games, sure, but he was not a 40-point defenseman at the time of the trade. He had topped out at 26 points for his career best and hasn't been good since, not a 40-point defenseman since and certainly not a Roope Hintz. You traded Chychrun because he sucked and his eligibility ran out, he was useless on your team so you traded for a younger and better player. A prospect and free keeper, a player on a heater. It's all there to see. The 1st Round Entry pick alone is worth way more than this shitty package you gave Chris. Also, Batherson is a fucking STAR! Love the guy! Talk about beasts, outdid Pasta's recent streak too by games and points, he's gonna be EYE POPPING just like my Entry Drafts! The only difference between him and some of the biggest stars in the entire league is his terrible +/- numbers...but that will improve. Peanuts! You need to get a clue...for real. Cheers bud-dy! It doesn’t matter how many days Lankinen was on my team, nothing about what I said was untrue. He was, at the time, a young starting goalie in the league. How many days he was on my team is irrelevant. Are you going to argue Copley isn’t the starter for the LA Kings too even though he has only been on my team for a couple weeks? Also, like Lankinen, Chuchrun was never on my farm team. Eligibility was never an issue. You don’t know what you are talking about per usual. Wha'choo talkin' 'bout Willis? You said Lankinen had 'just played 37 games' as a reason for his value when traded, I corrected you. Being a young goalie in the league is meaningless on its own. Undrafted bum with trash numbers. Point stands. (Copley sucks as well, nobody be stupid enough to make a deal for that bum, holy fuck. Another undrafted bum who is over 30 as well, he's trash, I actually don't know how you aren't embarrassed to have him on your roster at all.) Whether Chychrun's eligibility ran out on your team or another team, point stands, his time was up and he wasn't any good. You grabbed a younger and better player who had far greater upside and was a prospect and free keeper. Point stands.
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Jan 6, 2023 19:34:58 GMT -5
Interesting 1st time read. Four years after I won the Bloody-Disgusting Trophy!!! 😂 Started off hot as a youngin'! 😲
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 6, 2023 20:32:28 GMT -5
I’m just saying going back 2+ years it’s real easy to find bad trades. And the breakdown you had for this one didn’t tell half the story so I clarified what else was going on at the time since you wanted to only bring up stuff that supports you’re narrative as usual.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 6, 2023 20:42:52 GMT -5
All good man, really I'm just looking out for you and trying to get you to see something you might not see or realize for some reason. Going back 2+ years, yeah, that's what Derrick did to spin his narrative against me, right? I didn't start this. I'm not wrong about anything I've said either.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 6, 2023 21:16:44 GMT -5
I'm not wrong about anything I've said either. You are though the trade wasn’t anything when it was made it’s only a year later was it bad. The argument that’s being made has been you’ve been part of a number of trades that at the time were questioned as soon as they were made. Your rebuttal has been to point out trades and this time you point out one that nobody had a problem with at the time.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 6, 2023 21:34:06 GMT -5
The trade was something at the time though, it was just that nobody said shit, because some people have balls and integrity and for the most part allow managers to manage their teams as they see fit. It was something also because of what it turned into, that can't just be ignored. It was something also because of the trend of poor deals you've made with Derrick that I've clearly illustrated. One of those deals was made into a big deal too, far more concern with it than the Batherson/Pastrnak deal but you're just ignoring that, right? Derrick didn't listen to any of that concern and locked the thread Chris. You don't care, right? Why is it you're combative with me anyway? Derrick's the one fucking you over again and again. You see the results, there's no explaining it away, it's not a one off either...it's a trend. Part of my point is that people talk shit about my deals when they're fucking fair, people say nothing against others even when it's a bullshit unfair trade and even if something is said the fucking thread gets ignored and locked! That's the point dude. I ain't wrong about shit, it's all 100% accurate supported by facts.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Jan 6, 2023 23:00:34 GMT -5
The trade was something at the time though, it was just that nobody said shit, because some people have balls and integrity and for the most part allow managers to manage their teams as they see fit. It was something also because of what it turned into, that can't just be ignored. It was something also because of the trend of poor deals you've made with Derrick that I've clearly illustrated. One of those deals was made into a big deal too, far more concern with it than the Batherson/Pastrnak deal but you're just ignoring that, right? Derrick didn't listen to any of that concern and locked the thread Chris. You don't care, right? Why is it you're combative with me anyway? Derrick's the one fucking you over again and again. You see the results, there's no explaining it away, it's not a one off either...it's a trend. Part of my point is that people talk shit about my deals when they're fucking fair, people say nothing against others even when it's a bullshit unfair trade and even if something is said the fucking thread gets ignored and locked! That's the point dude. I ain't wrong about shit, it's all 100% accurate supported by facts. So let me get this straight - It was something at the time because you say it was even though nobody mentioned a thing about the trade other than you 2 years later? No that's not how it works. You can't say it's something also because of what it became because at the time of the trade it was considered even and fair and not a peep from anyone. Does that mean we can go back 2 years and say hey this deal wasn't fair lets veto? Cause sure I'd take Hintz back knowing what I know now. Can we all do that for other deals we lost because now they didn't work out for us? You cry and pout and throw your fit when your deal gets questioned then play victim after the fact. This deal wasn't questioned because at the time nobody batted an eye except maybe you who didn't say a word. Mr I have an opinion that's voiced about everything didn't say a word when the trade was made. I find it pretty hard to believe that you kept your mouth shut thinking this was a bad trade when you never do otherwise. You're not targeted get over yourself. I'm not combative with you I merely pointed out that this trade at the time wasn't the travesty that you're making it out to be and only now 2 years after the fact are you using it with the benefit hindsight to support your argument of "I'm picked on nobody questions other trades". You were wrong, you don't need to admit it we all know it...why are you so combative with me about it? I've questioned it before, why my trades were questioned and you said because I made bad trades could it be that yours get questioned because they're bad sometimes too? Couldn't be that though could it?
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Jan 6, 2023 23:24:40 GMT -5
Chris, this is exactly the same thing Derrick did to me and this is why I'm doing it this way here. To prove a point or multiple points. He criticized me for the Pettersson trade, nobody said shit about it back then either. Conversely, people said a lot of shit about the Laine/McAvoy trade but it went through and looking back at it he won the deal! Colin will not trade me back McAvoy for Laine, so he was wrong there and it illustrates how critical it is to allow managers to make trades however they see fit without meddling because we don't know what the future holds!
2 years isn't a lot of time for this type of outcome either. You're acting pretty bizarre towards me, I am targeted and you're in denial if you think that's untrue, how can you even say otherwise? I don't say shit because I believe mangers should be able to manage their teams the way they see fit, even if poor deals are made, that's my point. Remember when Derrick was shit talking you for making bad deals just a short while ago? How did he have the balls to even shit talk you when he's made such poor lopsided trades with you himself? I get it, you don't like me pointing out how bad these trades actually were because it makes you look bad but it's done with purpose and for a greater good. That being, allow managers to manage their teams without meddling. Simple and obvious. You say it's hindsight but is it? You traded Fiala just after he had a breakout year, so that's not hindsight. You traded Wilson while he was a top ranked player, so that's not hindsight. You made that awful questioned by everybody deal that was made a big deal of (you still haven't said anything about this), so that's not hindsight. Do you think there was 'concern raised' with that trade in that thread? Do you think it was right for Derrick to lock the thread and ignore these concerns?
I've posed my argument in such a way that reflects how I was criticized, nothing more. Think of it more in terms of sarcasm. Cheers!
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Jan 7, 2023 1:02:22 GMT -5
Derrick's the one fucking you over again and again. You see the results, there's no explaining it away, it's not a one off either...it's a trend. Part of my point is that people talk shit about my deals when they're fucking fair, people say nothing against others even when it's a bullshit unfair trade and even if something is said the fucking thread gets ignored and locked! That's the point dude. I ain't wrong about shit, it's all 100% accurate supported by facts. There is no way I am knowingly "fucking" anyone "over and over again" because AT THE TIME OF THE TRADES the FUTURE values of the players are UNKNOWN. What are you not understanding? That aside, you are cherry-picking the trades that I have guessed right. I have "lost" just as many trades as I have "won" but you are conveniently choosing to overlook those. To Ottawa: James Neal To Winnipeg: Mike Richards Pavel Datsyuk 3rd overall waiver I accept To Carolina: 2013 4th Round Waiver 2014 3rd Round Waiver To Ottawa: Jiri Tlusty Christian Ehrhoff Accepted. To Washington: Ryan Strome 2019 3rd Round Waiver 2019 2nd Round Entry To Ottawa: Alexander Radulov I accept. To Vegas: 2020 1st Round Entry To Ottawa: John Klingberg I accept. Winnipeg Trades Jeff Carter Evander Kane 55th overall waiver Ottawa trades Pekka Rinne 32nd overall entry 34th overall entry Nikita Zaitsev I accept To Ottawa: Petteri Nokelainen To San Jose: 2015 1st Round Prospect Pick
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