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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 19, 2022 18:28:24 GMT -5
Poll hasn't even been put up yet huh? A poll is gonna take forever. This is cheating, plain and simple. Derrick & Robyn are cheating, period.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 18:42:35 GMT -5
I wanted to do this trade for a couple reasons. The main 1 is that I don’t have a hope in hell of making playoffs and want to jumpstart the building of my team. Bat is slowly but steadily improving so with him and a high draft pick ,I could become a contender in a couple of years and whoever wanted Pasta would likely have a good chance of taking the league.
My other reason for this trade was to see what type of reaction it would cause.
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Post by Mitch - Ducks on Dec 19, 2022 18:56:19 GMT -5
Trading a top 5 fantasy player in the league in his prime for a lesser player and a late first round entry pick that may or may not pan out doesn't seem like its helping your team. The fact that you told half the league he's not available and then accepted probably the worst offer you would have got out of all the GMs in the league doesn't make sense. Pretty sure you could have got a lot more had you shopped him, at least more picks or prospects on top if you're trying to rebuild. Should be vetoed in my opinion.
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 19, 2022 19:05:06 GMT -5
Trading a top 5 fantasy player in the league in his prime for a lesser player and a late first round entry pick that may or may not pan out doesn't seem like its helping your team. The fact that you told half the league he's not available and then accepted probably the worst offer you would have got out of all the GMs in the league doesn't make sense. Pretty sure you could have got a lot more had you shopped him, at least more picks or prospects on top if you're trying to rebuild. Should be vetoed in my opinion. Explain in detail why you didn't veto Calgary's Newhook for Kadri+1st Waiver pick trade. Kadri, who outranked & outpointed Pastrnak last season. Batherson has 13 points less than Pastrnak and he's 2 years younger on a surging team. + a Top 12 pick in one of the deepest drafts in history. Late 1st? It's a Top 12 pick. Again, I reiterate, vetoes are for cheating not differing opinions. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Dec 19, 2022 19:07:49 GMT -5
Trades should only be vetoed if there is collusion or a new manager is oblivious to a rule in the rulebook. This will always be my stance.
Someone will ALWAYS end up on the "bad" side of a trade.
If you take this right away from a GM it hampers the integrity of the league.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 19, 2022 19:14:05 GMT -5
This is so funny, you actually vetoed the trade? What grounds do you have to do such a thing? CalGARYcoleman Flames traded Alex Newhook, a player who hasn't shown even close to the same thing Drake Batherson has to this point, Batherson has actually been performing at a point per game clip for a few seasons now and is heating up big time, for Nazem Kardi who outperformed David Pastrnak last season, outranked him, outpointed him PLUS ANOTHER 1st Round Waiver pick next season...for Alex Newhook. What the fuck? I'm giving Batherson and ANOTHER 1st Entry pick. This is a great example of the hypocrisy in this league in regards to anything I do. The hatred, and why? It's because I'm that...damn...good. It's because I'm better than you...and you know it! Nobody is justifying the Calgary trade. It was also a bad trade. I have always been pretty vocal with my opinion on bad trades regardless of which managers are involved. I think the issue with you specifically is, as a long standing member of the league, have garnered a reputation of fleecing managers out of their best players to build your team. Whether that perception is real or imagined, this isn't the first time the league has called some of your trades into question for whatever reason. Naturally, the longer you are in the league the more instances that will occur and the more visible they become. Sir, please. This is one of the most delusional posts I have ever read. You do realize you won ONE offensive category. I could have not even made goalie starts all week and still won the matchup. I had 10 extra skater starts because I choose to roster 2 goalies and 2 additional skaters, you chose to roster 4 goalies. The schedule is randomly generated and remains the same year to year until a new GM joins the league, where it is once again randomly generated. Hence why you played Winnipeg first for multiple years in a row, and I played Anaheim. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 19, 2022 19:18:42 GMT -5
Trades should only be vetoed if there is collusion or a new manager is oblivious to a rule in the rulebook. This will always be my stance. Someone will ALWAYS end up on the "bad" side of a trade. If you take this right away from a GM it hampers the integrity of the league. There is a fine line on what the "integrity of the league" entails. I generally agree, but one bad trade like this has serious ramifications for the entire league as a whole, not just the one manager who is on the "bad" side of the trade. We are trying to increase parity and preserve the longevity of the league first and foremost. I think this might be viewed differently if it were a long standing member of the league trading with another long standing member of the league. But it is not, it is a brand new manager who is clearly still learning the league. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 19, 2022 19:43:02 GMT -5
I wanted to do this trade for a couple reasons. The main 1 is that I don’t have a hope in hell of making playoffs and want to jumpstart the building of my team. Bat is slowly but steadily improving so with him and a high draft pick ,I could become a contender in a couple of years and whoever wanted Pasta would likely have a good chance of taking the league. My other reason for this trade was to see what type of reaction it would cause. Assuming your players start getting healthy, I think you have a great shot at making the playoffs. You have lost multiple weeks in a row and are still only 4 points out of the playoffs. If not for being ravaged by injuries during the early part of the season, your team is definitely top 6. Even with all the injuries, you still lead the entire league in total goals scored by a decent margin, which is remarkable. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Dec 19, 2022 19:52:22 GMT -5
Trades should only be vetoed if there is collusion or a new manager is oblivious to a rule in the rulebook. This will always be my stance. Someone will ALWAYS end up on the "bad" side of a trade. If you take this right away from a GM it hampers the integrity of the league. There is a fine line on what the "integrity of the league" entails. I generally agree, but one bad trade like this has serious ramifications for the entire league as a whole, not just the one manager who is on the "bad" side of the trade. We are trying to increase parity and preserve the longevity of the league first and foremost. I think this might be viewed differently if it were a long standing member of the league trading with another long standing member of the league. But it is not, it is a brand new manager who is clearly still learning the league. Certain aspects of the league have been governed too "wishy-washy" as of late with not enough consistency. Difference from that Newhook trade was I wasn't a sourpuss and complemented a GM on a homerun trade. GMs strive for homerun trades all the time. People who veto are scared of competition and it's there only scapegoat to try and stay more competitive instead of putting in the hard work. Mitch - Ducks, have you even contacted Bob - Kraken about a trade this season? Just curious, maybe you have. Similar opinion on the Toronto Maple Leafs clearly tanking this season. Points were manually taken off last season, he's had at least 4 infractions this season already, 2 in a row where he was warned the prior week and still nothing has happened. Sadly Chris - Capitals post has been buried by all this nonsense which is really the most important issue the league has at the moment. May as well go back and veto the Cal Petersen trade as well since you all clearly have a crystal ball which you are working off of. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 19, 2022 20:04:31 GMT -5
If the Calgary trade was made, a poor one in your opinion, passed through without a sniff of a veto call, why the fuck is this? It's a far worse trade. This is a good trade, so why? I'll tell you why, it's because I'm making a trade. You can't even keep up with me when cheating. I think I've illustrated how I've built my team by posting my Entry Draft results, fleecing who exactly? I trade great assets. I'd take McAvoy right now for Laine. That was a bad trade for me and at the time there was call for a veto as well. Again, vetoes are for cheating and nothing more. Anybody who vetoes this trade has zero integrity and if it gets vetoed the league has zero integrity.
You had 12 extra skater starts. Anybody who has 10+ extra skater starts vs. somebody didn't win the week and never will win in that way. You didn't like it when Mark - Bruins streamed 100 players in the Championship against you for the same exact reason. What happened with goaltending last week is a perfect example of what's wrong with the categories. You think you had the better goaltending? You didn't. Each week everybody should have the same amount of starts, it illustrates who has the better team, not who has more starts. You think if I had 12 extra skater starts you'd come out on top? Get real. You think you actually have the better players? You don't.
It's a good trade. A good trade based on what each team is looking for at this point in time. Whether or not others see it this way is irrelevant.
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 19, 2022 20:06:25 GMT -5
Similar opinion on the Toronto Maple Leafs clearly tanking this season. Points were manually taken off last season, he's had at least 4 infractions this season already, 2 in a row where he was warned the prior week and still nothing has happened. Sadly Chris - Capitals post has been buried by all this nonsense which is really the most important issue the league has at the moment. I responded to Chris' post before you replied in this thread. It is not being overlooked. Toronto added a player to its roster and has set its lineup every day as far as I can tell since being issued a "formal warning." |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 19, 2022 20:09:11 GMT -5
If the Calgary trade was made, a poor one in your opinion, passed through without a sniff of a veto call, why the fuck is this? It isn't me personally who is ever calling for a veto regardless of who is involved in the trade. I am responding to the league. As the commissioner, that is my responsibility. The league did not voice significant concern with the Calgary trade, therefore a veto poll was not created. |
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Post by Mitch - Ducks on Dec 19, 2022 20:17:27 GMT -5
There is a fine line on what the "integrity of the league" entails. I generally agree, but one bad trade like this has serious ramifications for the entire league as a whole, not just the one manager who is on the "bad" side of the trade. We are trying to increase parity and preserve the longevity of the league first and foremost. I think this might be viewed differently if it were a long standing member of the league trading with another long standing member of the league. But it is not, it is a brand new manager who is clearly still learning the league. Certain aspects of the league have been governed too "wishy-washy" as of late with not enough consistency. Difference from that Newhook trade was I wasn't a sourpuss and complemented a GM on a homerun trade. GMs strive for homerun trades all the time. People who veto are scared of competition and it's there only scapegoat to try and stay more competitive instead of putting in the hard work. Mitch - Ducks, have you even contacted Bob - Kraken about a trade this season? Just curious, maybe you have. Similar opinion on the Toronto Maple Leafs clearly tanking this season. Points were manually taken off last season, he's had at least 4 infractions this season already, 2 in a row where he was warned the prior week and still nothing has happened. Sadly Chris - Capitals post has been buried by all this nonsense which is really the most important issue the league has at the moment. May as well go back and veto the Cal Petersen trade as well since you all clearly have a crystal ball which you are working off of. Yes I contacted him about a trade for Pasta and he said he had zero interest in moving him. You win some you lose some. Didn't agree with the Kadri trade either, but at the same time Kadri not on Pasta's level, had one good season and wasn't even a keeper last year. Trading a top 5-10 player in the league should result in more of a return in my opinion. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Dec 19, 2022 20:24:01 GMT -5
Similar opinion on the Toronto Maple Leafs clearly tanking this season. Points were manually taken off last season, he's had at least 4 infractions this season already, 2 in a row where he was warned the prior week and still nothing has happened. Sadly Chris - Capitals post has been buried by all this nonsense which is really the most important issue the league has at the moment. I responded to Chris' post before you replied in this thread. It is not being overlooked. Toronto added a player to its roster and has set its lineup every day as far as I can tell since being issued a "formal warning." I was in the middle of writing my post and didn't see it until after, thank you for addressing the issue. I believe Chris - Capitals is referring to him benching Reimer in favor of Quick but he can attest to that. |
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Post by Daniel - Canucks on Dec 19, 2022 20:24:45 GMT -5
Certain aspects of the league have been governed too "wishy-washy" as of late with not enough consistency. Difference from that Newhook trade was I wasn't a sourpuss and complemented a GM on a homerun trade. GMs strive for homerun trades all the time. People who veto are scared of competition and it's there only scapegoat to try and stay more competitive instead of putting in the hard work. Mitch - Ducks, have you even contacted Bob - Kraken about a trade this season? Just curious, maybe you have. Similar opinion on the Toronto Maple Leafs clearly tanking this season. Points were manually taken off last season, he's had at least 4 infractions this season already, 2 in a row where he was warned the prior week and still nothing has happened. Sadly Chris - Capitals post has been buried by all this nonsense which is really the most important issue the league has at the moment. May as well go back and veto the Cal Petersen trade as well since you all clearly have a crystal ball which you are working off of. Yes I contacted him about a trade for Pasta and he said he had zero interest in moving him. You win some you lose some. Didn't agree with the Kadri trade either, but at the same time Kadri not on Pasta's level, had one good season and wasn't even a keeper last year. Trading a top 5-10 player in the league should result in more of a return in my opinion. Thanks for the response back, appreciated. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 19, 2022 20:30:06 GMT -5
Sooo... This is a bad trade for Seattle, what were you thinking? This pussy shit was significant concern? Wait, I'm sure every single manager in the league 'anonymously' messaged you about it, right? If the Calgary trade was made, a poor one in your opinion, passed through without a sniff of a veto call, why the fuck is this? It isn't me personally who is ever calling for a veto regardless of who is involved in the trade. I am responding to the league. As the commissioner, that is my responsibility. The league did not voice significant concern with the Calgary trade, therefore a veto poll was not created. If what you say here is true, you'd vote to not veto the trade, right? Did you do that? Naaah, you voted immediately to veto and typed up a bunch of nonsense to persuade others to vote to veto as well. You're hiding behind being diplomatic but are you? |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 19, 2022 21:24:13 GMT -5
If what you say here is true, you'd vote to not veto the trade, right? Did you do that? Naaah, you voted immediately to veto and typed up a bunch of nonsense to persuade others to vote to veto as well. You're hiding behind being diplomatic but are you? Nonsense? Pastrnak and Batherson are not similar in age? Both players don't play RW? Pastrnak isn't currently the #1 RW in the league? Pastrnak isn't on the best team in the league? I would love to hear an explanation of how anything I said is not fact. I was not merely stating an opinion of how I arrived at my conclusion, I was pointing out of the obvious as to why the concern might be justified. |
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Post by Nos - Sharks on Dec 19, 2022 21:35:43 GMT -5
These things are all irrelevant. 2 years difference, you were blasting Bratt who is only 4 years older than the players you were pumping. That's 2 years difference from the Bratt scenario. Who gives a shit if they're both RW? These aren't reasons to veto a trade. They're an opinion of what's happening right now. 13 point difference, imagine if Batherson were playing on the best team in the league and he will be playing for a much better team going forward and is 2 years younger. Add to that a Top 12 pick in a majorly deep draft, you've seen what I've gotten in the late 1st nevermind in the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well. Putting this to veto is pathetic.
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Post by Chris - Capitals on Dec 19, 2022 22:05:03 GMT -5
This is so funny, you actually vetoed the trade? What grounds do you have to do such a thing? CalGARYcoleman Flames traded Alex Newhook, a player who hasn't shown even close to the same thing Drake Batherson has to this point, Batherson has actually been performing at a point per game clip for a few seasons now and is heating up big time, for Nazem Kardi who outperformed David Pastrnak last season, outranked him, outpointed him PLUS ANOTHER 1st Round Waiver pick next season...for Alex Newhook. What the fuck? I'm giving Batherson and ANOTHER 1st Entry pick. This is a great example of the hypocrisy in this league in regards to anything I do. The hatred, and why? It's because I'm that...damn...good. It's because I'm better than you...and you know it! Your delusional Conveniently Batherson has been in the league 2 years longer than Newhook. But since you think this so much worse lets point some things out for you. I didn't trade Kadri I traded 2 picks. Kadri was selected with the 1st rounder this year if he's a comparable to Pasta why wasn't he kept? Could it be because he had 1 year where he exploded and it was pretty much widely thought he wouldn't replicate those numbers and it was just a perfect storm of a season for him. Batherson through his first 3 seasons after being drafted 99 games 23 goals 30 assists averaging more than 15 mins a game playing in the top 6 in Ottawa. Newhook through his first 3 seasons after being drafted 106 games 20 goals 28 assists averaging less than 14 mins a game playing on the 3rd line in Colorado. You're giving up a young middle of the pack player (at this point) and a pick that'll probably end up being 10-12 range for a top player in the league. Calgary and my trade was 2 1st round waiver picks (so not a top 120 keeper or top 200 prospect) for a prospect player that has put up solid numbers and has been pretty highly regarded over several years. These trades are not the same. |
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Post by Derrick - Senators on Dec 19, 2022 22:15:53 GMT -5
Just to be extra clear here since certain people seem to want to cut me down at any opportunity, demeaning my assets and attempting to make managers I deal with uneasy instead of working harder themselves and improving on your own weaknesses instead of getting scared, here's a list of the past 10 NAFHL Entry Drafts Robyn and I have participated in tracked against each other... 2013 Sharks: Aleksander Barkov, Valeri Nichushkin, Curtis Lazar, Josh Morrissey & Tristan Jarry 2013 Flames: Zach Fucale & Michael McCarron 2014 Sharks: Leon Draisaitl, Sam Bennett & Adrian Kempe 2014 Flames: Nick Ritchie 2015 Sharks: Mikko Rantanen, Mathew Barzal, Lawson Crouse & Mitch Vande Sompel 2015 Flames: Ilya Samsonov, Denis Gurianov & Jeremy Roy 2016 Sharks: Logan Brown, Carter Hart & Charlie McAvoy 2016 Flames: William Nylander 2017 Sharks: Timothy Liljegren & Joel Eriksson Ek 2017 Flames: Cody Glass & Nikita Popugaev 2018 Sharks: Vitali Kravtsov & Ryan Donato 2018 Flames: Barrett Hayton, Rasmus Kupari, Liam Foudy, Akil Thomas & Serron Noel 2019 Sharks: Vasili Podkolzin, Dylan Cozens, Cam York, Pyotr Kochetkov & Pavel Dorofeyev 2019 Flames: Bowen Byram, Alex Newhook, Arthur Kaliyev 2020 Sharks: Seth Jarvis & Adam Beckman 2020 Flames: Alexander Holtz, Yegor Chinakhov & Lukas Reichel 2021 Sharks: Simon Edvinsson, Matthew Coronato, Corson Ceulemans & Carson Lambos 2021 Flames: Kent Johnson, Aatu Raty & Tyler Boucher 2022 Sharks: David Jiricek, Liam Ohgren & Mattias Havelid 2022 Flames: Frank Nazar, Jimmy Snuggerud & Gleb Trikozov So tell me, who has the better assets me or you Robyn? Bob - Kraken sees something you don't see, and judging by the lack of quality in your overall drafting, I don't expect you to see what that is. For every draft year comparison, there is at least one, if not more questionable trades that have been made by you over the years that has built your team that have drawn ire from the league. I am not going to track them all down, but here are a few that come to mind. 2007 nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/213/sharks-jets-deal2012 nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/728/maple-leafs-sharks-trade-20122012 nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/769/maple-leafs-sharks-trade-20122017 nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/1105/sharks-wild-trade2018 nafhl2.proboards.com/thread/1135/jets-sharks-trade-07-2018 |
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So exciting.
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So exciting.
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You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.
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You better make that pick or trade it! I'm excited to see if we can use up all the draft picks this year.
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